Both men and women should have access to contraceptives. Saying that one gender is less trust worthy then another is ridiculous.
What possible incentive is there for a man to impregnate a woman, especially without her desire? I don't think many guys are out there begging to pay child support.
A woman has multiple options to prevent unwanted children (including two after the fact options). She therefore has full control of the child/no-child outcome based upon cost/value for her personal situation. A man has two options to prevent childbirth: a permanent vasectomy or using a condom (these fail and they fail too often in real world settings). A man has limited (or in the case of a condom mishap potentially no) control and potentially if the woman decides it should be so no value whatsoever.
Perhaps your confusion is that I stated "There is no incentive for man to impregnate a woman", and you interpreted that as a universal statement. It was not. It was a direct response to the question for a man's motives in the given scenario, which assumes unwanted pregnancy.
The point I'm trying to make it that the cost is not the only part of the equation and that we must also account for reward and control.
Cost/reward When the female birth control pill became available the cost/value was weighted very heavily against the woman and female control was much more essential. However today the cost/value is more evenly weighted. Back then a man could deny everything and move on leaving the woman with the baby and a ruined life. Now the man can't deny everything and as a minimum will be committed to child maintenance but he may still be denied access to the child. So the situation now is: woman high cost coupled with high reward; man moderate cost and potential reward controlled by the woman.
Control Let's assume that both parties decide for themselves based on their own cost/reward situation. Let's assume that they don't always inform the other of the their decision honestly. Neither is perfect judge of character.
Current situation Scenario 1: Man wants child. Woman does not. Woman controls outcome. No child. Scenario 2: Man doesn't want child. Woman does. Woman controls outcome. Child. Scenario 3: Both want child. Child. Scenario 4: Neither want child. No child.
Situation with male birth control Scenario 1: Man wants child. Woman does not. Woman controls outcome. No child. Scenario 2: Man doesn't want child. Woman does. Man controls outcome. No child. Scenario 3: Both want child. Child. Scenario 4: Neither want child. No child.
P.S. Personally I think that the pill was one of the greatest drivers of women starting to have rights on a par with men (I'm not saying that 2015s western world is perfect gender equality wise but it is a lot better than the 1950s western world was).
P.P.S. I just think that men should if possible have the option to control their reproductive function and that it does not matter whether woman trusts the man -- the man's control does not affect the woman's control (except in the scenario that the woman is a deceptive actor - NB that the inverse situation where the man is a deceptive actor is already under the woman's control).
This is just a fact of biology before you look at any of the social contextual factors.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nearly-half-a-million-new...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hiv-infections-continue-t...
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Wait, there's a standard for that? What is it, ISO-69? Did they also standardize the different sizes and textures?
Regardless, I bet it was an interesting working group.
Jesus, I can only imagine the reaction from HN if you made such a sweeping generalization about how trustworthy women are. How can you verify that a woman is on the pill? Even more, what if she says she has an IUD? How is that verifiable?
Edit: Nevermind, I didn't realize that there was thread that could be found if you were looking for it. My girlfriend had one put in somewhat recently and I never noticed.
Uh... how is that different from what we have today? Women take a pill. It's not visually verifiable by men.
Surely you can't object to the idea that men have the same choices about the pill as women do?
Because he implied that a man's word that he's taking a daily contraceptive is less reliable than a woman's.
maybe we can make a website where we "verify" if people are trustworthy before drunken hookups.
tryna take home a dude at the bar? just verifyhim
we can even call it verifyhim. scan his fingerprint on your iphone and/or use your cameraphone to scan his eyes to verify if he was using the man pill last time he hooked up.
That doesn't even mention the privacy issues involved.
Sadly, I am also sure of this.
As a man I want to take care of my own reproductive function. Women can already take care of theirs and a male pill-equivalent product won't change that.
I can't help but think a male contraceptive that is not visually verifiable by the women is not entirely trustworthy. Perhaps in committed relationships, but not for casual sex. I'm sure we're all nice guys here, but men in general are not exactly known for being trustworthy when they're drunk and about to have sex.