Re:The Earth-Twin Planet That Nobody Talks About
by personjerry on Sunday October 18, 2015 @08:37PM
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Could it be that rather than being stuck "four billion years ago", Venus is actually ahead of Earth in its timeline? Perhaps what we are seeing on Venus is the eventual result of climate change on Venus, not unlike what we are experiencing now?
Re:The Earth-Twin Planet That Nobody Talks About
by twic on Monday October 19, 2015 @10:07AM
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My understanding is that we know from rocks that conditions on Earth up to four billion years ago were very like those on Venus now. So, we know that the arrow of time runs from Venus-like to Earth-like, at least on Earth. Which doesn't, of course, rule out the possibility that it also runs from Earth-like to Venus-like here as well.
Re:The Earth-Twin Planet That Nobody Talks About
by jonah on Monday October 19, 2015 @01:00AM
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Sadly, I don't think even that would get us to change our ways to prevent it this time around.
Re:The Earth-Twin Planet That Nobody Talks About
by SFLemonade on Sunday October 18, 2015 @08:54PM
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This could make for an incredible movie plot. Humans spend all this time studying climate change and debating about it, only to find out that we were staring the result of it right in the face the whole time: Venus. We discover that the origin of man is not Earth. Rather, we were colonized here by our great ancestors, forgotten in time. Ancestors that came from Venus. They left after destroying the planet. And now, here we are on Earth, repeating history.
Re:The Earth-Twin Planet That Nobody Talks About
by TeMPOraL on Sunday October 18, 2015 @11:09PM
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That's actually one of the real reasons we study Venus - because it's an existing case of runaway global warming, and we want to learn something about our future from it.
Re:The Earth-Twin Planet That Nobody Talks About
by vrdabomb5717 on Sunday October 18, 2015 @09:12PM
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All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.
- Six, Battlestar Galactica
Where does all this sulphuric acid come from? Does Earth have the same amount of sulphur, just locked up in rocks? If so, why doesn't it react and precipitate out on Venus?
Okay, time to read the Wikipedia article [1].
So, Venus's atmosphere actually has four times as much nitrogen as Earth's. But that's overwhelmed by having about a hojillion times more carbon dioxide. There's more than enough nitrogen for an Earth-like atmosphere, crushed down into a tiny space.
Plus, the lack of a magnetic field means the solar wind hits the atmosphere harder than it does at Earth; hard enough to blow water vapour off the planet, although i don't know if that's in significant quantities.
Apparently at the surface, the CO2 has enough density and pressure that it's supercritical. So it's not so much an atmosphere, as an ocean. Kind of. We don't have a word for what it is, but it's atrocious.
As for sulphur, it came from wherever (volcanic eruptions, let's say), but the reason it stays in the atmosphere is that sulphuric acid never reaches the ground: if it falls as rain, the heat of the deep atmosphere evaporates it before it lands. I assume there's still a lot of gas-phase sulphuric acid at the surface, but perhaps that doesn't allow a fast enough reaction to take it out of the atmosphere.
And finally, Earth had an atmosphere like Venus's during the Hadean era, from its formation to four billion years ago [2]. Despite being ludicrously hot, liquid water oceans were stable due to the high pressure. Those oceans apparently allow some chemistry that takes most of the CO2 out of the atmosphere. For some reason, that didn't happen (or stopped happening) on Venus. Maybe because the water was whipped away by the solar wind? Or because Venus was just a bit too hot for liquid water? Or because you need not only oceans but plate tectonics to bury the carbon deep in the crust, and Venus doesn't have plate tectonics?
Don't ask me why Venus doesn't have plate tectonics. Probably the same reason it doesn't have a magnetic field, which on Earth is generated by stuff convecting around in the core.
So, total basket case really.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadean