I've made that complaint quite a lot and heard it quite a lot. I hung out with a lot of Smalltalkers and I have programmed Objective-C since NeXTSTEP 3.3. I like selector syntax and find it a pain in the butt when I'm in Perl or C looking for the order of arguments. I guess its all in who you associated with early. That's probably why I don't like Swift (which does it clunky) as much as Objective-C.