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Re:The Danger of E-Books by mwcampbell on Friday October 16, 2015 @10:43AM (#10399608)
> It's the same attitude I have around pirating movies or shows: if a movie company won't let me pay them to let me watch a movie/TV show via Steam, Netflix, or even from their own site, then I'll just watch it on Popcorn Time and it's their loss.

In a civilized society, respect for the law must trump our endless appetite for convenient entertainment. There are causes that merit civil disobedience, but this isn't one of them. If we can't consume some piece of entertainment legally, then we should just pass on it; there's always something else we can enjoy instead.

Re:The Danger of E-Books by dredmorbius on Friday October 16, 2015 @12:08PM (#10400234)
There are entire classes of information use which are exceptionally poorly served by the present pay-as-you-go (if and only if it's available, for your platform) model: the poor, children, researchers, the unwired or poorly wired, those in poor countries (see up-thread comment), and more.

There's an exceptionally strong argument for a simple access fee or tax (built into broadband service provision or income tax, preferably scaled to wealth), for which you have all-you-can-eat access to content, with authors paid based on a pro-rated basis of usage of their works, based on some cost-of-production scale (algorithmic computer-generated music really shouldn't be rewarded on the same basis as high-calibre investigative journalism or technical research). Possibly even taking the concept of payment for work out of the equation and providing some number of professional slots rewarded on a sliding scale based on measures of talent or quality. After all, what matters in producing considerable content is occupational stability in doing so. Periodic (annual? More or less frequent?) assessments could be made to compensation, number of openings, etc. Yes, it's complex, but then, information goods are too.

Oh, and that argument's compelling enough for Amazon to consider it. Don't buy their DRM'd crap myself, but those I know are being offered $10/mo all-you-can-eat access. O'Reilly's Safari service has had a similar offering for years (though at a different price-point as I recall).

Re:The Danger of E-Books by dredmorbius on Friday October 16, 2015 @09:42PM (#10403060)
Following links on the RMS article here, I find he's made a suggestion for online content sharing payment quite similar to one I'd independently arrived at. Also Paul Hunt's (Pirate Party UK) broadband tax proposal.

Seems a good idea whose time may well come.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3p0bp6/richard...

Re:The Danger of E-Books by Lawtonfogle on Friday October 16, 2015 @12:55PM (#10400567)
>In a civilized society, respect for the law must trump our endless appetite for convenient entertainment.

Respect for the law because is a rot that must be removed from society. Respecting a law just because it exists is to shackle our morals and common sense to what those in charge of the law dictate.

>There are causes that merit civil disobedience, but this isn't one of them.

The notion of civil disobedience, especially that of 'to do it, you must break the law and willingly submit yourself to punishment' is another rot. As for actual disobedience, the privatization of our collective culture to an extent that far surpasses rewarding primary contributors is a cause for general disobedience.

Also to note, your paying for movie ticket actually has no end effect because at the end of the day ever movie is a financial disaster. At least for mainstream Hollywood.

Re:The Danger of E-Books by Nadya on Friday October 16, 2015 @01:42PM (#10400858)
>In a civilized society, respect for the law must trump our endless appetite for convenient entertainment.

You assume all pirating is for entertainment. In a civilized society - should the poor not have access to expensive research papers, books, and the right to self-education through these materials? Are those things that are reserved only for those who can afford it? Is that really a civilized society? One that ignores the poor in an every-increasing demand for individual wealth rather than communal wealth?

There is a coffee shop where I live where you can "purchase" a coffee. The payment is whatever you feel the coffee is worth. Most people will pay $4-6 like any other coffee shop. Some people will feel generous or can afford to pay more. It's popular among the homeless and poor, because they can enjoy coffee and if they can only afford to give $0.50 they give $0.50, if they can't afford giving anything - the coffee is free.

I think that's more civilized than denying the poor the ability to enjoy coffee simply because they aren't in a position to pay for it. I argue this would only fail in uncivilized places where everyone is abusive of the generosity and the affluent and wealthy are not generous with their wealth causing the coffee shop to quickly go out of business.

But this depends on how "civilized" is to be defined.

Re:The Danger of E-Books by Karunamon on Friday October 16, 2015 @10:45AM (#10399634)
respect for the law must trump

Why?

Re:The Danger of E-Books by rout39574 on Friday October 16, 2015 @10:56AM (#10399721)
Because you'd prefer that other people not casually erect their own legal structure where your interests are concerned.

The law exists, among other reasons, to save us the N! negotiation of appropriate barriers. In that way, taking some aliquot of entertainment is not different from sleeping on your porch. Or in your living room.

Re:The Danger of E-Books by Karunamon on Friday October 16, 2015 @11:00AM (#10399743)
And when the law is broken, backwards, or wrong?

Slavish adherence to the law regardless of its nuance is not noble, it does not contribute to some greater whole, it is mere obedience, nothing more.

"Speed Limit 65" on major highways is a law too, and one that has roughly as much respect among the people as copyright law. And we're a more efficient society for ignoring it.

Re:The Danger of E-Books by chipotle_coyote on Friday October 16, 2015 @12:13PM (#10400272)
I think the problem the OP is pointing to is exactly where one draws the line between "this law is broken, backwards or wrong" and "breaking this law gets me what I want at zero cost with little chance of penalty."

Actually walking out of a store with a physical copy of a book (or a CD or a movie) is something most people would agree is theft, but making a digital copy of the same book or CD or movie without paying for it is... something else. By this point anyone on HN can enumerate the salient differences, which all revolve around digital copies having zero marginal cost.

The problem is that we too often ignore the salient similarities. The reason you want this particular book or CD or movie has nothing to do with the marginal cost of that particular copy. The bulk of the value always lay in the creative work; in digital media, all of the value lies in the creative work. If I want to sell you a novel and you don't like the price I've set, you'd never think that justifies walking out of the store without paying for a physical copy. Why does it justify you making a digital copy without paying for it?

DRM is a terrible "solution" to this problem, but I think its worst feature may be that its existence obscures the actual value of creative works by focusing attention back on the medium. My hypothetical novel's value, or lack thereof, ultimately has nothing to do with whether it's a trade paperback or an EPUB file. The principle of "you give me money in exchange for my work" remains the same even if my work is not fixed in a physical, tangible form.

Re:The Danger of E-Books by Karunamon on Friday October 16, 2015 @03:38PM (#10401544)
Probably no way to say this that doesn't sound overly snarky, but:

If we're talking about justification rather than law, the question can easily be turned around to become "What gives you the right to prevent me from making a digital copy?" Because you made the thing? More likely than not, I'll pay you if your work is any good.

Content producers seem to want to make the jump from physical to digital to gain its benefits without their customers realizing those same benefits, such as the ability to try before buying, or format shifting, etc. They treat this relationship as inherently adversarial in nature, and that's even before DRM gets added to the mix.

If your work is good, I will pay you. You lost the ability to control whether that happens before or after I've sampled the work, and you can thank decades of bad business practices for the justification for that.

Re:The Danger of E-Books by mwcampbell on Friday October 16, 2015 @11:17AM (#10399860)
On the other hand, if laws are to be effective without requiring excessive resources or undesirable technological measures (e.g. DRM) for enforcement, then breaking laws shouldn't be something we do lightly or merely for personal pleasure. Civil disobedience should probably be something that one does only after much soul searching -- something that keeps one up at night.
Re:The Danger of E-Books by Karunamon on Friday October 16, 2015 @11:26AM (#10399931)
You treat the law as if it was a whole body rather than a bunch of individual things.

Willfully choosing to ignore the speed limit has no impact on the rest of the law - that law is ignored because it is widely seen to be broken, inefficient, and nothing more than a vehicle for unjust profit.

Coincidentally, the same negative descriptors apply to copyright in 2015.

This is not D&D, we do not have character alignments. I am not giving up some imaginary karma and slighting the deity/concept of Justice and Good Order by choosing to ignore a subset of non-beneficial laws.

Re:The Danger of E-Books by WorldWideWayne on Friday October 16, 2015 @02:27PM (#10401175)
But that's what happens anyway isn't it? Disney kept getting the law changed to protect their fictional mouse character. The MAFIAA got their terrible DMCA. And so on...

The question is - how can you fight it? If the plebes could get laws made in their interest, they would. But they can't, so some of them do the next best thing - break the law. And I don't see anything wrong with that. Might makes right is the ultimate rule here. If nobody can stop you from doing what you want, then it's OK. That's just how the world works.

Re:The Danger of E-Books by monort on Friday October 16, 2015 @11:56AM (#10400135)
The Code of Federal Regulation is more than 50 thick volumes. Do you really respect all the law?

http://extent-of-regulation.dhwritings.com/

Re:The Danger of E-Books by lfowles on Friday October 16, 2015 @12:00PM (#10400172)
I endeavour to not obviously disobey it for selfish reasons.