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Re:The porn industry is in a bind by TeMPOraL on Thursday October 15, 2015 @10:34PM (#10397168)
> I'm interested to hear about the abuse and impoverishment.

Disclaimer: I've only been in China for a week so far, so what I can tell is just what I see (besides what everyone hears in Western media, that is) and it may be biased.

Shenzhen is a city of many contrasts. I work in a relatively modern office building and live in a not-totally-crap hotel. I travel to work via taxis which seem to be staffed by poor people trying to make a living. Forget about Uber here.

When I get out of the hotel, I can turn left and find myself next to KFC, Starbucks and a big shopping mall full of expensive-looking clothes. Everything is plastered with ads like you wouldn't believe. Or I can turn right and find myself on a poor street that is flooded with trash and occupied by tons of people selling absolutely everything - meat, fruits, phones, barber services. Those people look impoverished and from what I can tell, pretty much sit there 24h/day 7 days a week trying to sell something to someone. They are all incredibly friendly, but you can feel the lack of perspective for a better life; it's heartbreaking. There's a family of street food vendors making fried pasta with various meats; a father, a mother and a son. I'm buying food from them pretty much every day. They're extremely proficient at what they do (and they use up scary amounts of propane for that), but you can see that they'll be doing it for the rest of their lives.

There's a big construction zone next to a metro station nearby. They'll probably be building skyscrapers, like a lot of others that are currently in progress. The zone is fenced off with 2m high concrete walls. I managed to take a look through a crack, and what I saw was something akin to a labour camp. Some metal sheds, minimum sanitation, lots of people cramped together. I've been told they're workers from local villages. They looked hungry and impoverished. They don't seem to have any safety equipment.

There's a fucking Starbucks and a KFC and lots of people with smartphones few hundred meters downstreet. And a modern, high-tech metro station on the other side of the wall.

Then there are electronics markets. Tons of fancy stuff. Everything you could imagine. Sold by people cramped together in small spaces that look like they couldn't afford what they're selling. Basically third world selling first-world products.

It's really unnerving that you can have a place that is so amazing and yet so sad at the same time, with nothing but an occasional concrete wall separating the two pictures.

Re:The porn industry is in a bind by kragen on Thursday October 15, 2015 @10:54PM (#10397209)
Here in Buenos Aires we have a lot of entrenched poverty too, in slums that are often only tens of meters from rich areas. What I wonder most about is: what is the relationship between the poverty and the prosperity? Are the people in the "labour camp" able to go out and shop for meat, fruits, and barber services? Can they go get another job? Or are they in some kind of debt bondage? Have they been forced out of their homes by the electronics industries, or are they sending money to their parents and grandparents back in the village? Are the street food vendors and desperate taxi drivers better off than they were before the electronics industry came along, or are they finding themselves unable to pay the escalating bribes and taxes, forced off the land their families farmed, and occasionally beat up by police for scaring rich teenagers? What was their life like five or ten years ago, and what do they expect it to be like five or ten years from now? Can they walk to the KFC, or will the police pick them up as if they were Maciej Ceglowski walking around in the wrong neighborhood http://www.idlewords.com/2006/08/i_spy.htm or a black person walking around in a white neighborhood in the US?

Why is there only trash on the poor street? Do people not throw trash on the ground on the rich street, or is there a municipal street sweeping service that takes care of that? If so, why doesn't it clean the poor street? What's up with the lack of safety equipment? I'm happy to live in a country where I can still enjoy fast merry-go-rounds, but safety equipment in construction work is super important for preventing accidental death.

The derivative and the causality are more important than the current state.

Re:The porn industry is in a bind by TeMPOraL on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:00PM (#10397225)
I wish I could answer your questions. I keep asking them myself. I want to talk about it with someone local, but it's incredibly hard to find someone speaking English here outside work (and incredibly awkward to ask those questions at work), and my Chinese currently is limited to "hello", "thank you" and "goodbye" (I try to learn some as fast as I can; I only had a week's notice I'll be flying here so there wasn't time to prepare).

My Polish co-worker who is here with me and has been here before tells me of a girl working here who somehow escaped the poor villages far away from the metropolis and ended up working as a software tester. He says that he tried to talk with her about life, but that her English proficiency is limited to the technical matters; she can't express herself in English if asked about non-work topics, probably due to lack of general vocabulary.

I'll be happy to post something if I learn the answers to those questions.

Re:The porn industry is in a bind by chinpokomon on Friday October 16, 2015 @03:29AM (#10397948)
How weird to think about only knowing English at that level. Even when I learned another language, it was conversational. I hadn't really given it a lot of thought about if you only knew the technical words. I can see how that would be difficult to work with, but it's hard to imagine.
Re:The porn industry is in a bind by cinquemb on Friday October 16, 2015 @12:12AM (#10397427)
I'm also interested to learn more if you come across any answers? Will you post it on your website or something? I feel like I'll miss it if it is posted on HN.
Re:The porn industry is in a bind by TeMPOraL on Friday October 16, 2015 @12:36AM (#10397493)
I'm noting down to update both you and 'kragen after I write something up. I might post it on my blog or do a Tell HN; we'll see after I actually have something to write about :). You can also shoot me an e-mail (mine in the profile) so that I know how to notify you directly.
Re:The porn industry is in a bind by dongchongyubing on Friday October 16, 2015 @10:58AM (#10399739)
Shenzhen is one of the best city in China. From your standard and perspective , other places seems looks like hell .
Re:The porn industry is in a bind by toomuchtodo on Friday October 16, 2015 @01:29AM (#10397613)
I'm very interested as well! I'll shoot you an email!
Re:The porn industry is in a bind by kragen on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:11PM (#10397259)
I'm very interested!
Re:The porn industry is in a bind by echion on Friday October 16, 2015 @08:52AM (#10398899)
Last time I visited there were two guys with jackhammers taking up half of the concrete stairway to a McDonald's while it was still packed and busy: no safety equipment or barriers. I lived in Hong Kong for a couple of years. Shenzhen is great, but the air pollution is a holdup for anyone looking to relocate there (or Hong Kong). Otherwise it's a maker's paradise.