Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules
by kozhevnikov on Thursday October 15, 2015 @06:21AM
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Surveillance is the opposite of privacy, the opposite of free speech is censorship, and GCHQ doesn't advocate that yet.
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Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules
by agd on Thursday October 15, 2015 @06:25AM
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It's not quite as simple as that. Mass surveillance alone harms free speech because it affects people's behaviour. If you know everything you say and do is recorded, you tend to say and do a lot less than you would otherwise.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules
by superuser2 on Thursday October 15, 2015 @10:39AM
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>If you know everything you say and do is recorded
Intelligence agencies didn't want us to know that, we learned it from whistleblowers.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules
by agd on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:21AM
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Intelligence agencies are full of smart people. They know that secrets this big can't be kept indefinitely. Once the cat's out of the bag, then the panopticon comes into effect.
They have factored in the effect on free speech into their decisions.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules
by TeMPOraL on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:06AM
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And it's not even that bad in principle. In a more perfect world you want to have is freedom of speech and an organization like S.H.I.E.L.D. which secretly scoops all communication to protect the public from greater threats. Unfortunately, what we got instead is a kind of Hydra that lacks ambition for world domination.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules
by fit2rule on Thursday October 15, 2015 @07:22AM
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GCHQ ABSOLUTELY promote censorship and interference with free speech on a mass scale:
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/22/controversial-gchq-unit-...
Educate yourself! The GCHQ is a reprehensible organ of an authoritarian state! Under no circumstances must we allow those who grant themselves the privilege of extreme secrecy, the further miscreant privilege of rampant social engineering - of which censorship is but a minor aspect!
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules
by fauigerzigerk on Thursday October 15, 2015 @06:36AM
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The UK government does block websites, but I think you are right that it doesn't amount to censorhip in the sense of blocking criticism of the UK government itself.
I'm not sure what role GCHQ has with regard to blocking websites or if we know what they actually advocate. They have been known to do things clandestinely ;-)
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules
by damagednoob on Thursday October 15, 2015 @07:49AM
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I think it would be naïve to say that it doesn't have a chilling effect.