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Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by aarongough on Thursday January 07, 2010 @05:31PM (#1038185)
Haha, very much along the lines of what I was thinking.

Isn't the idea behind capitalism that good businesses succeed, while bad businesses fail? What happens when all of the bad businesses are propped up by government subsidies?

^sigh^ whatever happened to letting the market decide...

Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by jonny_noog on Thursday January 07, 2010 @05:43PM (#1038206)
^sigh^ whatever happened to letting the market decide...

It was realised that it was not the most effective method to maintain profits for those established individuals and organisations that have the clout to influence government policy. Let's hope that one day this changes, but I'm not holding my breath.

Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by onewland on Thursday January 07, 2010 @05:52PM (#1038230)
I don't think we ever let the market decide EVERYTHING. See: airlines, military contractors, banks (before this crisis as well).

I'm not even sure we're in a period where this is more pervasive than usual. That said, I agree that in 99% of cases corporate welfare is a terrible idea.

Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by joubert on Thursday January 07, 2010 @06:00PM (#1038252)
The tax is to be levied irrespective of the (major) search engine used.
Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by aarongough on Thursday January 07, 2010 @06:12PM (#1038282)
But the money is still being used to prop up a market that cannot support itself. If it was a vital service (like maybe a utility service) then I could understand. But we are talking about the music industry!
Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by joubert on Thursday January 07, 2010 @06:21PM (#1038311)
But why should search engines be able to escape paying taxes on their advertising revenues, while the music industry must pay taxes on their revenues?
Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by aarongough on Thursday January 07, 2010 @07:04PM (#1038396)
You keep saying the same thing again and again. It's still not correct.

The companies that own the search engines are already paying tax on their advertising revenue. See other person's comment above.

Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by joubert on Thursday January 07, 2010 @07:25PM (#1038435)
But they're not paying tax in France, where, one can argue the advertising revenue originates as and when the user clicks on the ad since it is only then that the good is considered delivered (very different from traditional advertising).
Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by aarongough on Thursday January 07, 2010 @07:41PM (#1038465)
One could argue that. But advertising is a product. If I sell a product to a person in France from my Canada based company, I do not have to pay taxes on that revenue in France.

Why should this case be any different.

Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by joubert on Thursday January 07, 2010 @11:00PM (#1038815)
Depends on where the sale is made (and in this case it would be hard to argue the sale is being made in Ireland, no?), and how residency is determined.

The origination of revenue concept, residency, etc. in tax law is continuously being tested, both by governments and by companies, in a tug of war.

Consider this case of affiliate advertising (which, although different in specifics from the French case, has the same tone and a similar legal path):

http://venturebeat.com/2009/04/24/california’s-proposed-“ama...

In particular, this bit: "Here’s how it would work: If you have a web-based business in California and collect revenue by showing out-of-state companies’ ads on your site, Bill AB178 will claim that both you and the businesses you advertise on your site have residence in California, and are therefore required to pay California sales tax. For example, say your Santa Monica-based web site shows banner ads for Amazon.com. With Bill AB178 in place, Amazon.com would be classified as a California-based business based on the fact that your business draws affiliate advertising sales revenue. Amazon would then be required to collect sales tax on all sales into California. The idea behind the bill is that California could force out-of-state retailers to collect and pay California sales taxes."

You can also read more about it here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=4...

Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by ericd on Thursday January 07, 2010 @06:12PM (#1038287)
He was talking about the "creative industries hurt by the digital revolution" being the ones propped up by this, not the poor search engines.
Re:France plans 'Google tax' on Internet searches by joubert on Thursday January 07, 2010 @06:19PM (#1038308)
But isn't the dying industry paying taxes on their revenues while the poor search engines are not paying taxes on their advertising revenues?