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Re:Global coalition tells Facebook to kill its Real Names po... by merijnv on Monday October 12, 2015 @06:53AM (#10373675)
> the only way to force companies is by spending your money somewhere else

Or, you know, enforcing new legislation that forces the company to do what you want...

Re:Global coalition tells Facebook to kill its Real Names po... by minority-one on Monday October 12, 2015 @11:41AM (#10375193)
I'm pretty sure pmlnr meant "the only way to peacefully/morally force companies is by spending your money somewhere else".

We all know violence and threat (what you suggest) works. Some of us are trying to decrease the amount of what you suggest in the world.

New legislation is a direct threat to companies, backed by the power of the government to fine and arrest those who disobey. Why go to such lengths when it's much easier just to stop going to Facebook? Only a perverse sadist would prefer legislation over ostracism.

Re:Global coalition tells Facebook to kill its Real Names po... by merijnv on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @07:16AM (#10379627)
> New legislation is a direct threat to companies, backed by the power of the government to fine and arrest those who disobey. Why go to such lengths when it's much easier just to stop going to Facebook? Only a perverse sadist would prefer legislation over ostracism.

Right, this is why the US is such a shiny beacon of safe products, consumer-friendliness, and consumer rights compared to the horrible European markets... :)

I always find this sentiment on HN so amusing. "Legislation hurts companies, we should all just ostracise/boycott companies instead!" despite all practical evidence suggesting that legislation actually gets things done. Like, I can actually get fast affordable internet here, unlike when I was in the US :)

Re:Global coalition tells Facebook to kill its Real Names po... by mikeash on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @07:37AM (#10379719)
I do think that legislation should be avoided if it's not necessary. If complaining or boycotting gets the job done, then that should be the first option. I'll never understand people who think we shouldn't complain or boycott. Surely this is just an exercise of one's right to free association? (Not saying you're objecting to them. But a lot of people seem to think that it's somehow wrong.)

On the other hand, if an issue is important and legislation can get the job done, we shouldn't shy away from it. To describe someone as "a perverse sadist" for wanting to legislate pseudonyms on social networks is bonkers.

Re:Global coalition tells Facebook to kill its Real Names po... by minority-one on Wednesday October 14, 2015 @10:52AM (#10386926)
> I do think that legislation should be avoided if it's not necessary.

In other words: if legislation.necessary? then enact else avoid.

> On the other hand, if an issue is important and legislation can get the job done, we shouldn't shy away from it.

In other words: if issue.important? and legislation.effective? then enact else avoid.

These two are contradictory. Which is it for you?

Re:Global coalition tells Facebook to kill its Real Names po... by mikeash on Wednesday October 14, 2015 @09:06PM (#10390685)
"Shouldn't shy away" does not equate to "always do it."