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Re:The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared by ddingus on Friday October 09, 2015 @09:21PM (#10364086)
>>>I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for.

"You there! STOP!"

"Huh?"

"We've got you on record for bootstrapping, machine code, and compiler writing!"

"so?"

"That's a threat, and you are going to have to come with us and register."

"Register for what?"

"As a weapon. We need to know where you are and who you associate with..."

Re:The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared by TeMPOraL on Saturday October 10, 2015 @02:35AM (#10364724)
I doubt it will go that bad, but I wouldn't be surprised if the end result of the War on General Purpose Computing will be laws limiting access to turing-complete machines to licensed software engineers. For everyone else, playing with a compiler will be illegal.
Re:The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared by pdkl95 on Saturday October 10, 2015 @05:59AM (#10365029)
As I suspect the "unique digital exhaust" tracking problem will only get worse as machine learning improves, sometimes a proper Butlerian Jihad seems like the only solution. So I remind myself often that such an extreme solution can always happen later, so there's no excuse not to fight for a better solution in the meantime.

When faced with a very difficult task, there is a tendency in humans to feel helpless and unable to affect any meaningful change. This quickly spirals into a nasty form of learned helplessness. This feedback loop can lead to a nihilistic attitude. If you can't win, why bother trying. Even Feynman succumbed to this problem[1] after the Manhattan Project.

One thing I do know about the people trying to put the General Purpose Computer back in it's bottle, and the people who are so terrified of their fellow citizens they create a surveillance state to try to preserve their status quo: every person that succumbs to a defeatist or nihilistic attitude is one less person is one less person standing in their way.

[1] sigh - it seems the BBC took down the video I had bookmarked. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgaw9qe7DEE#t=1114 ). A quick search found the video at dailymotion (jump to 18:34 for the comment I'm referencing): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24gwgc_richard-feynman-the...

Re:The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared by EdSharkey on Saturday October 10, 2015 @03:05AM (#10364772)
Your vision of the future sounds like hell to me! It's sortof like gun control ... only the bad guys will have access to development rigs.
Re:The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared by TeMPOraL on Saturday October 10, 2015 @03:23AM (#10364803)
Yes. It terrifies me. But that's exactly what we'll have if we actually get "programmer professionalization". This is a part of the War on General Purpose Computing; on one hand, as software runs more and more life-critical systems like cars or energy infrastructure, you see a push from both security professionals and big companies towards turning programming into real engineering discipline; on the other hand, you have media companies fighting to limit public's access to turing-complete computation. Unfortunately in this context, while everyone hates the big media shops, infosec has a lot of good karma currently, and they're also against us in this war.
Re:The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared by walterbell on Saturday October 10, 2015 @05:04AM (#10364943)
Re:The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared by jodrellblank on Saturday October 10, 2015 @06:42PM (#10367276)
"heart cells: interact in a way allowing logic gates and hence are Turing Complete" - http://www.gwern.net/Turing-complete
Re:The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared by ddingus on Saturday October 10, 2015 @10:56AM (#10365663)
That's mostly the scenario I was writing about.

Take that bit of dialog and plug in a smart kid making their own stuff...

Re:The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared by dghughes on Friday October 09, 2015 @11:38PM (#10364403)
Your hands are deadly weapons.
Re:The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared by ddingus on Saturday October 10, 2015 @12:57PM (#10366096)
As is the brain. Just talking to someone, in what we consider an ordinary way today, could be trouble.