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Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by vessenes on Thursday October 08, 2015 @12:38AM (#10350923)
Some raw (is there an equivalent here?) or high res samples would be greatly appreciated in exchange for my deposit.

I had an interesting reaction reading this: I'm totally sold on the idea and science behind this. We have large scale radio telescopes, why not cameras?

But, I'm super turned off by the proposed plan: modified android OS combined with the promo photos makes me think viewfinder lag is going to be a bitch. v1 seems likely to feel like a janky short-run phone from a new manufacturer. Which is too bad, because the concept and possibilities are amazing.

Light; the articles mentioned a partnership with FoxConn; why not work with them or Samsung to put one out that you just license tech for?

And, it would be cool to see some high res samples.

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by moultano on Thursday October 08, 2015 @01:08AM (#10351011)
If you break it out of the gallery, you can get a little better look. http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_13.jpg http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_14.jpg

Pretty impressive.

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by unicornporn on Thursday October 08, 2015 @05:03AM (#10351594)
I'm looking at http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_13.jpg. Can you tell me exactly what looks impressive about that? The leafs outside seems to be more in focus that the little guys eyes. They even had the chance to set focus after capture, so I don't see why this should be happening.

I see noise even at this resolution. I also see really bad highlight clipping (the "hitting a wall" type of clipping) and purple fringing like color shifts in the transparent plastic right above the vinyl.

To see something interesting, take a look at the gray box in the lower left corner. In the absolute corner there's "increased resolution", and then to the right of this there's a sharp line where a more smudged area takes over. And no, that is not beacause of shallow DOF.

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by vessenes on Thursday October 08, 2015 @01:11AM (#10351019)
I liked that first picture, too. And on closer inspection it's interesting -- some different color temperatures in different spots. I wonder if you get a natural HDR type capability using different sensors like this. The second one makes me think low light should be reasonably good, which is what I would hope for considering the technology description.
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by eurekin on Thursday October 08, 2015 @01:45AM (#10351103)
About the low light... You might want to take a look at this image as well: https://light.co/content/2-gallery/rtalt6.jpg
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by lumpypua on Thursday October 08, 2015 @03:20AM (#10351316)
That's insane how well the faces are exposed given the dynamic range of the light in that shot. With an SLR the correct exposure is like walking a tightrope. Definite postprocessing required to get a result near the L16 image.
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by unicornporn on Thursday October 08, 2015 @04:47AM (#10351548)
That doesn't seem insane at all. There's not much light from the sun that has already set, there's light from the bulbs above and there looks to be light coming from behind the photographer.

Also I see extreme amounts of noise even though it's downsampled to 1920 on the long side, especially in the black guys shirt. There seems to be lots of lost detail and and also loss of information in the shadows. Of course it would help to have full res images to say something substantial, but it doesn't look all that promising to me.

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by alkonaut on Thursday October 08, 2015 @05:44AM (#10351703)
I don't see the problem with exposing that on an SLR. Just meter for the faces? It looks just like any noisy high-ISO SLR image to me?
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by moron4hire on Thursday October 08, 2015 @09:52AM (#10352721)
Any modern full-frame Canon with the ol' "nifty fifty" (cheap fixed 50mm, 1.8f lens) could get a shot like this. I've taken portraits in-doors in candlelight with mine.
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by jerich on Thursday October 08, 2015 @11:39AM (#10353453)
It took me a few looks at this picture to pick up on the fact that it is all in focus, whereas the depth of field of the f/1.8 lens is going to give you one of the subjects' eyes in focus.

I was a little disappointed in the amount of noise and the noise reduction in this pic until I started thinking about how it would look with other cameras. Probably a blurry, noisy mess with cellphone or compacts. To get the same effect as this pic with a DSLR, you'd have to massively stop down that 50mm lens and would end up boosting the ISO so high that even a modern full-frame DSLR wouldn't be that much better.

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by moron4hire on Thursday October 08, 2015 @12:53PM (#10353981)
You won't get both the front and the back of the table in focus, but given how far back you'd have to sit to get all three people in frame, you'd probably be able to get all three people in focus, especially if the guy in the back leans in a little. Also, I mentioned Canon because their high ISO modes are particularly low noise these days, even before noise reduction. And Nikon might have caught up as well, I haven't reviewed lately.

But that's actually not the most important part.

The most important part is that there are only two cameras in my life: my "good" camera and my smartphone, aka the camera I use when I know I'm going to be taking photos, and the camera I have on me all the time.

Since this image is probably boosted and noise reduced and photoshopped to make it the most presentable representation of the product, I really think the same amount of effort would get you better results, for less money, out of a DSLR. If you're into spending money, the right DSLR and lens combo would get you far, far better results.

On the other hand, yes, DSLRs are bulky and you don't want to carry them everywhere. But the Light is not a smartphone, so it's yet another device to have to remember and carry around, so while it's smaller, I'm still likely to leave it home because I just don't think to bring cameras with me everywhere. I've got an older smartphone (Galaxy Note 3) that can take photos pretty near this quality in its fakey HDR mode. I've seen some shots out of the newest iPhone that very much rival this sort of photo. And that iPhone is cheaper than the Light, plus it's not an extra device.

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by alkonaut on Friday October 09, 2015 @04:41AM (#10358828)
That's why it's most interesting as a concept and not a product. I'd really like my next iPhone (the iPhone 8S if if past shopping behaviour is any indication) to have 3-4 lenses and sensors, if it meant it could be more sensitive in low light or use different focal lengths in good light, and still not be bigger than my current iPhone is. So this company should just make a showcase product, and then wait to be bought by sony/apple/samsung.
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by alkonaut on Friday October 09, 2015 @04:27AM (#10358779)
This looks like something I could do at iso1600 with my old APS-C camera, but then I'd need to do it wide open which would severly limit the DOF. With a modern full frame one could probably pull this off with iso 12800 and just stop down accordingly, without seeing much more noise. I agree it's still impressive to even push the modern FF to it's limits to match though (but comparison needs to be done at full resolution, not at screen res)
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by saiya-jin on Thursday October 08, 2015 @03:53AM (#10351398)
with lightroom, you'll get this by moving few sliders left or right in 10 seconds, given pic is coming from half-decent dslr, full frame ideally.

all promotional photos anywhere are carefully photoshopped anyway.

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by moultano on Thursday October 08, 2015 @01:16AM (#10351031)
Yeah, there does seem to be a little uncanniness to the lighting a la hdr. They feel painted. I'm curious how much post-processing went into each of these.
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by lumpypua on Thursday October 08, 2015 @03:25AM (#10351335)
> Yeah, there does seem to be a little uncanniness to the lighting a la hdr.

It is HDR. Multiple exposures means you can capture the full dynamic range in one "shot" and synthesize together the nicely exposed parts of each image.

> I'm curious how much post-processing went into each of these.

I mean, a bunch, but the camera's firmware is doing it. I'm sure typical punch up postprocessing happened for publication, still the interesting dynamic range stuff is happening in the camera.

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by thrownaway2424 on Thursday October 08, 2015 @11:09AM (#10353232)
Is there any reason you couldn't do a single-shot HDR with a single sensor, by modulating the sense amplifier gain on a per-pixel (or per-row, or per-column) basis? The ISO sensitivity of a digital camera is just a gain coefficient in some circuit, so it seems like it could be controlled during the readout.
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by moron4hire on Thursday October 08, 2015 @01:08PM (#10354112)
Composite HDR shots are supposed to be done such that the shutter at the fastest speed properly exposes the highlights and the slowest speed completely blows out on the highlights, but the extremely dark shadows are properly exposed. In other words, it's about filling in the details when overexposure causes amplitude clipping.

How most people end up shooting HDR, however, the component images mostly all have full detail in the shadows and highlights, meaning the final image really not much more than you've described. You can do that with a single shot and a contrast slider.

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by anentropic on Thursday October 08, 2015 @06:15AM (#10351778)
it looks a lot like HDR on smart-phone grade sensors

the advantage here is that the HDR frames can (presumably) be captured simultaneously, reducing motion blur

plus they seem to suggest some Lytro style ability to change the focus/depth of field after taking the photo

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by themgt on Thursday October 08, 2015 @01:31AM (#10351067)
Agreed. They've got a fascinatingly lifelike, "through your own eyes" look. Which to me is more interesting since our perception of sight is actually a mental re-representation, not a raw view of the data streaming in from your retinas at a given moment. So, perhaps somewhat analogous to multi-camera/aperture shots recombined in software.
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by unicornporn on Thursday October 08, 2015 @05:20AM (#10351639)
> Some raw (is there an equivalent here?) or high res samples would be greatly appreciated in exchange for my deposit.

Yes, supposedly it outputs (or will output) raw/mosaiced DNGs[1]. I think it will be some time before we'll have access to these though. There's about a year until release and even the files available (downsampled to 1920 on the long side) looks noisy and a bit smeared (probably from noise reduction).

[1] http://support.light.co/hc/en-us/articles/205746673-What-ima...

Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by rawnlq on Thursday October 08, 2015 @12:56AM (#10350975)
Probably will work similar to Lytro: https://pictures.lytro.com/
Re:The Light L16 – a multi-aperture computational camera by jobigoud on Thursday October 08, 2015 @04:08AM (#10351434)
Lytro is a light field camera, I'm pretty sure the Light will NOT work similar to a Lytro.

Light is fusing (at capture time I think) a few normal-sized sensors each using different exposure duration, focal length, etc.

On the other hand Lytro collects a lot of tiny images each at the same exposure duration and focal length, but very close to each other. It's like having very big pixels but for each pixel you retain the color response from a large number of directions, instead of just the average color for that particular pixel, as in a regular camera.

Continuous refocusing can be performed after the fact in a Lytro, not possible (or very limited) with the Light. But the Light should be able to do native HDR in one take (and real time HDR video maybe), not possible with a Lytro.