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Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by ypcx on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @02:55PM (#10341406)
Weird keyboard layouts. Shifting the keyboard off-center to include numeric keypad which no one uses anymore. (Gamers? Please stop.) This alone makes one question what exactly they are "smoking". There wasn't a single big Windows laptop on the market that wouldn't fall into this hole of a flaw.
Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by kuschku on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @03:02PM (#10341454)
No one uses numeric keyboard? WTF? How’d you enter numbers then, using the number row?

A huge issue with non-standard keyboards are international layouts. German layout is already requiring 2 or 3 keys combined to reach {[]}, but on some laptops you need either 3 or 4 keys combined, or often can’t reach it at all. Equally on most mobile bluetooth keyboards.

It’s as if no one thought about languages using more than US keys.

Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by dpark on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @03:48PM (#10341794)
> How’d you enter numbers then, using the number row?

How could anyone possibly enter numbers using the number keys in the number row?

It's almost as if the typical purchaser of laptops isn't entering numbers into spreadsheets endlessly.

Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by tomaskafka on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @03:18PM (#10341582)
Dell D630: Want to enter numbers? Hold FN, use uiopjkl;m,./ as a numpad. No mode switching.

No one replicated this. Sigh.

Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by ptaipale on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @04:26PM (#10342091)
What? I have a HP 735 which has a similar thing. I believe many others do as well.

However, if you really are into all that much entering numbers to spreadsheet, you'll probably want one of those USB or Bluetooth number keypads.

Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by rifung on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @02:20AM (#10344463)
I use the number row. Is that weird? I think it's much faster than using the numpad anyway since you have 8 fingers you can use instead of just 3 (or 4?) for the numpad. It also means you can much more easily switch between letters and numbers.
Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by Raed667 on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @03:27PM (#10341645)
Many people including me use the num. pad every day. I will not buy a laptop without it.
Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by kibibu on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @06:23PM (#10342842)
> Gamers? Please stop.

I've never used the numpad in a game in my life (except maybe some flight sim from 1998).

I had to use one of those dinky Apple keyboards without it for a while, and I dearly missed it using Blender, Excel and even just Calc. I installed a numeric keypad app on my phone to work around it.

Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by lsniddy on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @03:05PM (#10341479)
I think the num pad is a huge addition. I use it both in Excel and Photoshop. that being said i love this device more than anything ive seen since the XPS 13
Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by dpark on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @03:50PM (#10341812)
I think the number pad on a laptop is a massive waste and an anti-feature for 99% of users. Most people don't use it enough to justify the space it takes, and especially the ergonomic awkwardness of having the keyboard perpetually off-center.
Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by kibibu on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @10:53PM (#10343950)
Here are some other keys that are a massive waste for 99% of users:

* Home

* End

* Backtick/tilde ` ~

* Backslash/pipe \ |

* PrtScn

* Break/Pause

* Any F key that is not F1 or F5

When's the last time most users typed a backslash? A pipe char? A backtick?! (If you say "in a command prompt" you are not talking about the mythical 99% of users)

Depending on the audience, [delete] is a waste of space too - a lot of people just use backspace. Would you abandon it?

Not being useful for everybody doesn't mean it's useful for nobody.

Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by girvo on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @12:45AM (#10344219)
Sure. A number-pad that nearly no-one uses takes up a lot more space than keys that would leave empty space or necessitate a brand-new keyboard layout if they were removed. Very different.
Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by kibibu on Thursday October 08, 2015 @11:22PM (#10357979)
Removing the function keys wouldn't necessitate a brand-new layout, and I suspect the num keys get used more than function keys.
Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by mblevin on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @04:05PM (#10341929)
This is 100% a decision in line with much of the core premium Windows audience - corporate employees who use Excel and other programs with numerical data entry on a daily basis.

There has been massive encroachment of MBP and MBAs into the corporate world as BYOD policies have been adopted.

Very smart move.

Re:New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft by outworlder on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @05:24PM (#10342516)
Yuck. If you are doing this much data entry, you are probably not at a Starbucks and most likely, at a bigCo desk. In that case, a $5 numeric keyboard will be better.

The offcenter keyboard (and worse yet, off-center trackpad) is a much worse compromise.