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Re:Musk Says Tesla Cars Will Go 620 Miles per Charge in 2 Ye... by kbenson on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @05:55PM (#10300025)
Part (a) of VC Section 22400 is what I was remembering from way back when I took driver training, and it states "No person shall drive upon a highway at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, unless the reduced speed is necessary for safe operation, because of a grade, or in compliance with law."

Wouldn't driving below the posted speed limit when there are no hazardous conditions fall under "as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic"?

Re:Musk Says Tesla Cars Will Go 620 Miles per Charge in 2 Ye... by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @06:01PM (#10300078)
> Wouldn't driving below the posted speed limit when there are no hazardous conditions fall under "as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic"?

Not normally, driving below the posted maximum speed limit would not, in and of itself.

It might -- and, given the soft nature of upper limits, it might even without driving below the posted maximum -- in the presence of other traffic, depending on the road (what will impede traffic on a single-lane road is different than what will impede traffic on a multilane road) and particular traffic conditions.

Re:Musk Says Tesla Cars Will Go 620 Miles per Charge in 2 Ye... by kbenson on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @06:08PM (#10300121)
I understand that, but I guess I'm of the opinion that while we provide leeway to humans because of our nature, an automated system that drives below the speed limit in the case that it is blocking or restricting traffic be reducing the number of lanes flowing at full speed really has no excuse, other than purposefully slowing the normal flow to save money. I imagine that might be successfully litigated.

Could/would they drive well below the speed limit without legal problem when no traffic is around? I imagine they could, but I'm less interested in that (but understand my question was ambiguous).

Re:Musk Says Tesla Cars Will Go 620 Miles per Charge in 2 Ye... by Filligree on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @06:24PM (#10300224)
Sorry, let me confirm this. You can get a ticket for driving slower than traffic, despite driving at the speed limit?

Could you, in the same situation, also get a ticket for following the traffic—i.e. breaking the speed limit?

Re:Musk Says Tesla Cars Will Go 620 Miles per Charge in 2 Ye... by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @06:43PM (#10300331)
> You can get a ticket for driving slower than traffic, despite driving at the speed limit?

Some speed limits in California are soft (it depends which of the provisions allowing speed limits they are adopted under, or whether they are the default limits.)

It is legally possible for traffic to exceed the speed limit where those limits are soft without necessarily being illegal, unreasonable, or safe.

It may, in some circumstances, therefore, possible to impede reasonable flow of traffic while driving at the speed limit in those cases, thus breaking the law.

> Could you, in the same situation, also get a ticket for following the traffic—i.e. breaking the speed limit?

Yes, but if the circumstances were such that someone could be impeding traffic at the speed limit, it would also necessarily be true that it would possible for you to exceed the speed limit and not be breaking the law. But the burden of proof would be on you to show that the driving was safe.

Re:Musk Says Tesla Cars Will Go 620 Miles per Charge in 2 Ye... by fancyketchup on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @07:55PM (#10300737)
Yes, and in states with a 'basic speed law', or similar, you can even earn a ticket for driving substantially below the posted speed limit. The Utah driver's handbook and license test, for instance, explicitly call out that road conditions may be such that the maximum safe speed is 0 mph.