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Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by netcan on Monday September 14, 2015 @11:03AM (#10215387)
Sometimes official justice turns out not to be real justice. Sometimes the whole institution is corrupt, sometimes it's corrupt this time, sometimes it just makes mistakes.

That's not an argument for or against vigilantism, just that justice is tricky.

Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by xtian on Monday September 14, 2015 @11:13AM (#10215446)
It is an argument against vigilantism because there is at least some process in place to hold the official justice system accountable for its mistakes.
Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by netcan on Monday September 14, 2015 @11:53AM (#10215667)
Obviously, I'm playing devils advocate a little, but I don't like this line of thinking.

It's kind of deifying the official. If the official process sucks, then it sucks. At least there is some process in place to hold the official justice system accountable only counts (in my eyes) if and when that works.

I think there's a stretch of an analogy to the current refugee crisis. On one hand we have this official set of ideals in laws and institutions. The principles are clear enough. Refugees need to be assessed fairly and settled in safe places.

In the other hand we have selfishness, bigotry and/or genuine practical objections mean that these do not produce a result. The reality is that taking refugees from some distant war on a different continent is politically a landline.

So, the official establishment ties itself in bureaucratic knots. Throttles and avoids the rock and the hard place.

Lets not forget that it's all people. Cops are people. Judges, Presidents, people.

Just because a system is not formalized doesn't means it works worse.

Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by xtian on Monday September 14, 2015 @01:47PM (#10216333)
I'm struggling to discern your point here. I'm not arguing for the infallibility of official institutions, but how often do you imagine one mob can succeed in holding another mob accountable for its mistakes?
Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by Lawtonfogle on Monday September 14, 2015 @03:42PM (#10217028)
An official justice system does not have to allow for a process to be held accountable. Most ones seem to have something officially in theory, but we should remember, especially for the most disadvantaged of our society, in practice theory and practice aren't the same.

Also, a vigilante system can have a system to hold itself accountable as well.

Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by pdeuchler on Monday September 14, 2015 @04:34PM (#10217300)
A vigilante system is prima facie unaccountable, otherwise it's just another justice system
Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by Lawtonfogle on Monday September 14, 2015 @04:44PM (#10217347)
In which case we are working of significantly different definitions of justice/vigilante systems.
Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by pdeuchler on Monday September 14, 2015 @05:01PM (#10217438)
There is no definition of "vigilante system" that holds such systems accountable to society. If society were to hold such a system accountable it becomes codified into a true judicial system and is no longer "vigilante". These are inescapable definitions that are inherent to the very things they describe.
Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by Lawtonfogle on Tuesday September 15, 2015 @10:23AM (#10220782)
Then it sounds as if they are one in the same, like two sides of a coin being flipped throughout history.

Legal systems become corrupt and unaccountable, giving rise to vigilante systems. Those that survive long enough begin to improve as those involved seek to better the new systems. Eventually they reach the point of being the new legal system which slowly corrupts itself til it is beyond being held accountable, at which point it reverts back to a vigilante system that competes with new ones.

Perhaps the only issue is we should consider a different name from a vigilante systems that arise due to a corrupted legal system not meeting the needs of the populace vs the legal system itself that falls into a state where it is no longer held accountable.

Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by kragen on Monday September 14, 2015 @11:50AM (#10215656)
I'm willing to bet you don't live in Perú.
Re:Facebook vigilantes catching thieves and punishing them by wehadfun on Monday September 14, 2015 @11:45AM (#10215620)
Really what is it?