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Re:Let's talk about iMessage again by benihana on Monday September 14, 2015 @07:20AM (#10214559)
>Also, I thought the consensus was that Apple was 'backdooring' iMessage by giving LE access to iCloud backups which include iMessage, not compromising iMessage directly?

Consensus? First I've heard of this being a consensus. I've heard people say if Apple is backdooring, this is the way they'd do it, but no consensus on this actually happening. Care to go into this a bit more?

Re:Let's talk about iMessage again by dantiberian on Monday September 14, 2015 @07:50AM (#10214633)
Consensus may have been the wrong word to use, but I've heard the same as you, that backups are a weak point in iMessage security, and a very plausible way for LE to get access.
Re:Let's talk about iMessage again by BBlarat on Monday September 14, 2015 @08:32AM (#10214744)
is it required to have an iCloud backup when using iOS? Or is it something that can be opted out of? I'm just curious.
Re:Let's talk about iMessage again by smackfu on Monday September 14, 2015 @09:32AM (#10214935)
Just have more than 5 GB of data and you can't backup to iCloud without paying monthly.
Re:Let's talk about iMessage again by hutattedonmyarm on Monday September 14, 2015 @09:49AM (#10215016)
Photos are not included, Apps aren't (only their data), I'm not sure about music. It's gonna be hard to exceed the 5GB this way
Re:Let's talk about iMessage again by smackfu on Monday September 14, 2015 @10:03AM (#10215083)
Photos may be included.

"Here’s what iCloud backs up: Photos and videos on your iOS devices, unless you turn on iCloud Photo Library on your iOS device (iOS 8.1 or later)."

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH12519?locale=en_US

The photos hit the same 5 GB limit, so it's not like excluding or including them really changes anything. Photos are the #1 reason people hit the backup limit.

Re:Let's talk about iMessage again by hutattedonmyarm on Monday September 14, 2015 @10:32AM (#10215232)
Thanks, didn't know that (I use iCloud Photo Library), but IIRC you can disable stuff from backing up, even photos
Re:Let's talk about iMessage again by knd775 on Monday September 14, 2015 @10:47AM (#10215314)
I currently use 18 GB with only a single iPhone. 14.6 GB of this is my iCloud Photo Library.
Re:Let's talk about iMessage again by dantiberian on Monday September 14, 2015 @08:49AM (#10214789)
You can opt out, but I think it will be the default.
Re:Let's talk about iMessage again by hutattedonmyarm on Monday September 14, 2015 @08:50AM (#10214794)
Not required. You can choose between iCloud backup, iTunes backup (even encrypt if you want) and no backup at all. iCloud is the most convenient though