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Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by ck2 on Saturday September 12, 2015 @10:19AM (#10208147)
If you are in the USA, everything you emailed six months ago is open for reading by any government agency without a warrant, without letting you know in any way.

(and if you are not in the usa, just assume it is realtime)

This is why everyone should probably have their own private email server locked down in their home. Postfix can be made pretty secure.

Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by drdaeman on Saturday September 12, 2015 @11:30AM (#10208337)
<rant sorry="yes">

The problem is... it sucks. I'm doing this and - honestly - it's not very pleasant experience.

The dilemma is - either sell your soul to Google (Apple, Microsoft, whoever else) and surrender to their will for a glimpse of their proprietary innovations, or have to deal with basic (and somewhat ancient) technologies without much of support. Unless you hire a sysadmin to maintain that for you.

The thing is, popular services add some value, like smart email processing, reasonably-well maintained spam filtering, tagging emails (IMAP doesn't have this!) etc etc. It's all theoretically doable in DIY setups, of course, but entry barriers (time, knowledge) are huge, and in practice one'll likely to end up with only basic functionality that'd they'll end up eventually abandoning due to maintenance being a PITA.

</rant>

Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by rsync on Saturday September 12, 2015 @10:40AM (#10208208)
One of the nice things about running your own mail server is that mail you send to other local users does not traverse the Internet. It's just a local copy operation.

This, of course, requires that everyone use the hosted email client on that server, but it's worth remembering.

Personally, I (and everyone at rsync.net) just use (al)pine, so the hosted email client is very simple (and fast and efficient).

Re:Is it futile to un-Google? by ck2 on Saturday September 12, 2015 @11:12AM (#10208293)
What's interesting is if you look at gmail headers, they do indeed route via public IPv6 back to themselves for gmail-to-gmail transactions.

Or at least they log the ipv6 route within their own datacenter, or between datacenters.

So that is up for argument if it is traveling via their own intranet or "the internet".

(at least google uses AES TLS, yahoo still uses RC4)