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Re:Refugees Welcome by zerr on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @10:36AM (#10159456)
We (Europeans) never bothered about cultural and religious closeness when we were occupying, colonizing and sucking goods from them, did we?
Re:Refugees Welcome by hnpc123 on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @10:49AM (#10159583)
You know, at least Europeans are consistent in their moral grandstanding.

For sure mass immigration from illiberal non-Western societies will cause damage to the cultural fabric of Europe and cause strain on the welfare systems, but at least you consistently apply your moral standards to yourself and not just America and Israel when it's convenient. That is admirable.

Re:Refugees Welcome by zerr on Thursday September 03, 2015 @04:24AM (#10163842)
> mass immigration from illiberal non-Western societies will cause damage to the cultural fabric of Europe ....

That's not necessarily truth. In fact, most of immigrants are escaping from those illiberal societies. They want to have an European lifestyle. Become musicians, artists, engineers, etc... These kind of fresh workforce, who know what is it to live in poverty are actually much better at work and contribute more to the welfare system.

Re:Refugees Welcome by jbssm on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @02:38PM (#10161166)
And if you go back far enough you can also talk about the crusades, the Romans invading Africa, the Greeks invading the middle east... and well, I don't know, you can certainly come up with more ideas.

Looks like we still have about 2000 more years of self deprecation here in Europe fellas, so that we can finally atone for the things our ancestors did.

But only we, cause all the crap that African empires and Islamic empires did in the past are obviously of no concern. They should automatically be forgiven and forgotten... we don't, obviously, we have to pay trough all eternity.

Re:Refugees Welcome by ciupicri on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @11:24AM (#10159833)
What Europeans? Do you mean UK and France?
Re:Refugees Welcome by zerr on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @11:25AM (#10159846)
Re:Refugees Welcome by ciupicri on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @11:40AM (#10159969)
I think you meant some Western European countries. Because I don't see Slovenia, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania, Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and probably others on that list. And I definitely don't see Switzerland. Europe doesn't mean the European Union (founders).
Re:Refugees Welcome by rmxt on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @12:54PM (#10160523)
It would help your comparison if half of those countries existed as independent entities before World War I.

The Baltic States and Ukraine were part of Russia when it went through its imperialistic/colonization phase, reaching into Alaska and Mongolia, and Fort Ross as noted on the linked page.

The German Empire is conveniently listed as Germany on that page, which leaves out the fact that the German Empire consisted of land that is now part of the Czech Republic, Poland, and Lithuania.

Of course, these modern day countries were some times subjugated much in the same way that true colonies were subjugated. That being said, I don't think it's fair to say that Western Europe is solely to blame for world wide colonization.

Re:Refugees Welcome by expertentipp on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @01:28PM (#10160723)
Let me help you. Baltic States, Czech, Poland were the colonies.
Re:Refugees Welcome by throwaway999777 on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @11:58AM (#10160106)
Norway: Greenland and Vinland (New Foundland).

The thought of those vikings sucking the fertile soil of Greenland dry fills me with guilt.