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Re:Do rent controls work? by timr on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @01:00AM (#10150802)
"In a free rental market, you would see some current SF residents leave because they're not willing to pay market rates, but the market rate would drop as a result. In other words, long time residents would move out to make space for the people who want to move in and are willing to pay for the privilege."

So your argument is that the people who can't afford the asking price would move out, and the people who can afford that rate would take their place, and the net result would be that market rate would go down? Um.

What you mean to say is that market rate would go down for the average new arrival. But why should anyone who already lives here care about that person? Because they work for a startup?

Re:Do rent controls work? by cperciva on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @02:04AM (#10150957)
What you mean to say is that market rate would go down for the average new arrival.

I was taking the words "market rate" to mean "rate negotiated by people operating at arms length" as opposed to "rate dictated by government without any negotiations having taken place". But yes.

But why should anyone who already lives here care about that person?

They don't. And that's exactly the problem with rent controls: They benefit the current local residents at the expense of future residents, and hurt society as a whole. It's the same problem as property tax controls (current owners pay lower rates than future owners) and union seniority rules (current union members get paid more than future union members), which is why some states have laws prohibiting rent control in spite of the desire by local governments to impose it.

Re:Do rent controls work? by timr on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @04:00AM (#10151234)
"that's exactly the problem with rent controls: They benefit the current local residents at the expense of future residents, and hurt society as a whole."

One man's problem is another man's social policy. I don't see this preference as anything more than a societal decision to give some value to social stability.

Re:Do rent controls work? by cperciva on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @04:40AM (#10151325)
Fair enough. I find granting value to societal stability to be troubling, since it tends to privilege people who are already privileged - wealthy whites, for example.
Re:Do rent controls work? by simoncion on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @01:48PM (#10154339)
I mean no offense, but I'm sure that the Latino families in The Mission and the Asian families in Japantown, Chinatown, and the Outer Sunset/Richmond [0] greatly appreciate the stability that rent control provides in a city that's inexplicably rabidly anti-development. :)

[0] To the knee-jerk downvoters: look up the demographic stats for those districts before you downvote. :)