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Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by eloff on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @12:47AM (#10150778)
I think SQLite is only used for the metadata, which seems like a reasonable choice. The speed of metadata operations won't matter next to the slowness of the read/write operations (slow relative to local SSDs.)
Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by atmosx on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @02:12AM (#10150971)
Isn't that kind limited? How exactly are two different clients going to access the metadata at the same time, if SQLite3 is used?!
Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by hvidgaard on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @02:30AM (#10151002)
I don't think that's the aim of the project. They do state that it's "especially suitable for online backup and archival". We typically have one network location where we store data for backup and archival, so only one machine would be having a connection anyway.
Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by nbevans on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @05:00AM (#10151370)
SQLite supports multiple readers when Write Ahead Logging (WAL) is enabled. This mode is so good and transforms the whole operation of SQLite that it is shame that 1) it isn't the default, 2) more people don't know about it.
Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by edwintorok on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @12:05PM (#10153361)
There is also `PRAGMA synchronous = NORMAL` that helps a lot. Your database will still be consistent and cannot become corrupted, although you do have to give up transaction durabibility after a power loss:

https://www.sqlite.org/pragma.html#pragma_synchronous

Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by aidos on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @05:31AM (#10151458)
The way s3ql works is that it copies the db from s3 to your local machine. You make changes and then write the new version back to s3 later with the data. So it won't help in this case.
Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by nbevans on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @06:03AM (#10151517)
I see. Out of interest how does it write back the new version of the SQLite database file with only the differences? Does S3 support binary patching?
Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by aidos on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @06:19AM (#10151557)
I believe it uploads the whole thing each time. I think it may even upload it with a new index counter in the name to version it (but I can't find that in the docs now).

http://www.rath.org/s3ql-docs/impl_details.html#metadata-sto...

Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by tobias3 on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @07:19AM (#10151687)
I think you found the Achilles heel. This won't scale, so it is only suitable for small file systems.
Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by nbevans on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @07:35AM (#10151718)
Indeed, I'm good at that ;)

It could probably be improved (subject to the nuances of S3 which I'm not fully familiar with). One way to fix it would be to copy the concept of SQLite's WAL mode. Use an appended write operation on S3 (if it supports it) to append to an existing file that contains the transaction log. Then at certain intervals (say every few thousand transactions) one can finally flush that log to be stored in the main database file.

This would substantially reduce the number of times the database would need to be re-uploaded in full.

Re:S3QL: an S3 FS with encryption, de-dup, immutable trees a... by viraptor on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @02:31AM (#10151005)
They won't: https://bitbucket.org/nikratio/s3ql/wiki/FAQ#!can-i-access-a...

"""In principle, both VPN and NFS/CIFS-alike functionality could be integrated into S3QL to allow simultaneous mounting using mount.s3ql directly. However, consensus among the S3QL developers is that this is not worth the increased complexity."""