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Re:Linear Algebra: What matrices are by andrepd on Saturday August 29, 2015 @11:42AM (#10140341)
Mathematics can be taught by good teachers and bad teachers, in a very good or very bad way. It's definitely an important and difficult issue, because teaching mathematics the right way in order to capture the attention and interest of school children is a very difficult problem, not least of all because there isn't even a consensus on what teaching mathematics the right way is.

However, I don't think in the slightest that throwing CS buzzwords such as "REPL" and "hackable" at the problem is the way to go.

Re:Linear Algebra: What matrices are by hueving on Saturday August 29, 2015 @12:50PM (#10140589)
They aren't buzzwords, they are simple ideas and don't have to be referred to with those terms if they are triggering you. The OP just wants interactive, flexible systems to learn math from, which I wholeheartedly agree with.
Re:Linear Algebra: What matrices are by andrepd on Saturday August 29, 2015 @02:20PM (#10140867)
Okay, my bad, then. Can you tell me what exactly is meant by a "hackable" math learning environment? And how will a REPL (however it is realized) make learning mathematics better?
Re:Linear Algebra: What matrices are by iso8859-1 on Saturday August 29, 2015 @08:30PM (#10141856)
Imagine if all the proofs in your linear algebra textbook were done in Isabelle, Idris or something similar to that. Then you'd be able to interactively explore the proof, it would be unambiguous, and you would know exactly like it worked. If you don't understand how a C program generates its result, you could start a debugger and single-step through it. With a paper proof, how can you convince yourself that there is nothing missing in the proof? Maybe you think you understood, but you didn't.
Re:Linear Algebra: What matrices are by reitanqild on Saturday August 29, 2015 @06:00PM (#10141477)
Excel, for all its warts, is hackable. Programming languages are hackable.

Fill inn these boxes and get the solution is not hackable (unless the programmer seriously failed at validating input.)

Re:Linear Algebra: What matrices are by jawbone3 on Saturday August 29, 2015 @08:27PM (#10141850)
The great tragedy of maths education is that people come out the other side and think "fill in the box" is maths. No, that is doing you sums, not living in the world of mathematics.

The filling in of the boxes is most fairly compared to finding the typo in the complicated regex, or the file with incorrect permissions on the web server

Re:Linear Algebra: What matrices are by hueving on Sunday August 30, 2015 @03:17AM (#10142546)
"Fill in the box" is not referring to sums. It's referring to extremely rigid homework where you fill out each step in a process to finding out a result very precisely. It coincides with the horrific bubble tests where you select 1 of 5 answers and there is no partial credit.

This style of learning is what dominates US schools now from basic arithmetic all of the way up through advanced calculus.

Re:Linear Algebra: What matrices are by techbio on Saturday August 29, 2015 @08:16PM (#10141818)
Then replace the domain specific terminology with something more palatable to educators.

The point made in the parent comment is that teaching math often fails in its intent, to provide students with the rewards of mathematical insight and ability to reason.

Instead basic math education results in a rift between those who "aren't good with numbers" and, well, masochists.

What is it about math education that so abhors references to applications?

Re:Linear Algebra: What matrices are by Scea91 on Sunday August 30, 2015 @02:41AM (#10142459)
What is so crucial about references to applications? Sometimes the applications are so distant that it is not imaginable for high school teacher to dig into them.

People learn about mammals in biology and don't ask for references to applications. Why is it different in math?

Re:Linear Algebra: What matrices are by techbio on Wednesday September 02, 2015 @12:54AM (#10157500)
What equivalence do you see between math and biology? The pedagogy seems to begin from opposite directions. What axioms of biology are comprised of "mammals"?

This thread began with a parent article on matrix algebra, which has many, many, exciting real-world applications.