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Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by philtar on Saturday August 29, 2015 @09:27AM (#10139899)
1) Because MSFT provides great corporate support for desktops. Keyword: great. Not good. Great.

2) Because people are used to it.

3) Because Office products are the de facto standard, and they run best on windows.

I could go on, but you get the point.

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by philliphaydon on Saturday August 29, 2015 @09:29AM (#10139903)
Everyone talks about how great the alternatives for office are. Buy they are good. Not great. Even office word online is better than Google docs.
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by merb on Saturday August 29, 2015 @05:44PM (#10141430)
Comparing Google Docs to MS Office oh god. I mean i always found Google Docs and Word Online aweful, mostly I need Docs Offline. There aren't many times where I need them only or need Collaboration and even for that there would be lots of Toolings. Libre Office should be compared and if you are a Office 2003 User you wouldn't have a hard time to go to LibreOfice. Also on Mac LibreOffice is really really lightweight compared to MS Office. Okai there are two things missing, which are used a lot. One is Excels preinstalled Table formats (on LibreOffice you need to define all of them by yourself, so no quick design). And second you can't easily migrate Mail Merge Docs from Office to LibreOffice.
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by tracker1 on Saturday August 29, 2015 @08:59PM (#10141902)
I'm nearly the opposite.. I uninstalled my office 360 version from work when I left the job (validation failed anyway) and only used it for outlook for work anyhow... that said, I needed to update my resume. For that I have Libre Office... that's about all I use it for.

For me, google docs works well enough... I use the sheets more than the docs actually, as I keep track of my current bills with it. All of that said, there are a lot of tiny features in MS Office that LO doesn't have.... I don't need them, that doesn't mean that nobody does. I know plenty of people that can't give up their use of excel or word in favor of LO.

I also would love to see a fully free/open solution that works as well as Exchange+Outlook ... I've seen lots of alternatives and options, none are nearly as clean or well integrated. And for that matter, most are a bitch to setup/maintain on the server-side of things, or simply aren't actually free, there's usually a critical "plugin" that's only available with a support contract.

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by rbanffy on Sunday August 30, 2015 @10:43AM (#10143444)
It really depends on what you are doing. If it's formatting documents for printing, you're right. If, however, you want a document all 30 participants in a group can collaboratively edit, Google is the way to go. I've used it for ad-hoc voting on group issues (every voter would add a character to the list item they favored) and it held well up to 50 people.
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by zxcvcxz on Saturday August 29, 2015 @09:42AM (#10139942)
What is "better" about MS word than google docs? The only reason I see to use word is if you're using files from 1999 that don't work anywhere else.

Google docs is a much simpler system, especially for places like schools because of the "cloud" nature of it. Google docs has all the features the average person needs.

MSWord is for specialty cases, google docs and the open alternatives are for everyone else.

I'm about to earn a masters degree and I've never needed to use MS word. Double spacing, page numbers, and aligning text work in just about every processor. I've rarely received a word document from a professor that used advanced features of word, they're always poorly formatted.

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by MatmaRex on Saturday August 29, 2015 @09:55AM (#10139982)
It's true that the average user uses maybe 20% of Word's features, and Google Docs have 50% of them. The problem is that each person uses a different 20%.

One feature I personally needed and missed was to generate a table of contents with page numbers for each heading. I ended up exporting the doc to Word to do it, and in the process discovered that the exported document had a messed up layout in a few places.

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by nightpool on Saturday August 29, 2015 @10:49AM (#10140142)
Yeah this is a super common experience among people I talk to. For me, it was not wanting any headers or page numbers on my title page. (I ended up making two separate documents to get around it)
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by nightpool on Thursday September 03, 2015 @04:44PM (#10167425)
would like to report that I just used google docs the other day for something where I also needed a title page, and that google now supports this
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by TeMPOraL on Saturday August 29, 2015 @10:36AM (#10140090)
Google Docs isn't even in the same league as MS Office. GDocs is basically slow, web-running (I mean that as an insult), glorified Markdown editor that saves your data in an unknown format somewhere you can't access directly.

About the "features average person needs" remember that users adapt their workflows to the featuers you give them and make do, not the other way around. Give them more, they'll use more.

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by scholia on Saturday August 29, 2015 @11:53AM (#10140387)
If somebody out there has a reliable way to measure resource consumption in Windows (Mark Russinovich?), I'd be interested in a comparison between (say) a thousand word document in Word and the same document in Google Docs in Chrome.

I think you could probably add "resource hungry" to your description of GDocs....

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by ryanlol on Saturday August 29, 2015 @12:01PM (#10140415)
That's probably the case, but does it matter?
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by scholia on Saturday August 29, 2015 @12:10PM (#10140444)
Ask the people who spent years attacking Word for being "bloatware" ;-)
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by eropple on Saturday August 29, 2015 @01:17PM (#10140681)
It chops off a solid 30-45 minutes of battery life on my laptop, in Safari (to say nothing of Chrome, at which point it becomes a campfire on my lap), so yeah, I think so.
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by icebraining on Saturday August 29, 2015 @09:51AM (#10139971)
In my experience, Docs can't even reliably align the cursor with the position between characters (problem described here[1], except my zoom is at 100% already).

Thankfully all my documents have very light formatting, so I can just write in Vim and then upload them.

[1] http://www.podiohelp.com/google-docs-cursor-misaligned/

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by scholia on Saturday August 29, 2015 @11:32AM (#10140314)
I get this as well, and I have another problem. I usually work in Word but one company wants things in Google Docs. OK, I create the document in Word in Times Roman and paste it into Google Docs.... which converts it into Arial.

If I copy something else from the same Word document into the same Google Doc, then Google keeps it in Times. How does that work?

Is there a "smart paste" feature I've missed?

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by ryanlol on Saturday August 29, 2015 @12:00PM (#10140411)
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by scholia on Saturday August 29, 2015 @12:15PM (#10140468)
Sorry if I'm being thick, but I'm using the same clipboard to paste between the same two documents, so I still don't see why GDocs should interpret them differently....

I can try clearing the clipboard between pastes: would that make a difference?

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by nightpool on Saturday August 29, 2015 @10:51AM (#10140154)
I've seen this happen before, but only very rarely and refreshing would always fix it. Does refreshing not work for you?
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by icebraining on Saturday August 29, 2015 @12:59PM (#10140623)
Unfortunately not.
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by deathanatos on Saturday August 29, 2015 @07:09PM (#10141660)
Any sort of styling control: if there's a particular style I want applied to certain portions, I have to recreate it at each use. God help me if I decide to change it halfway through the document.

Orphaning of content: GDocs will very happily strand a section header at the bottom of a page, dropping a page break right between the header and the content.

The cursor will occasionally just go where it pleases.

Revision history (compared to diffing git commits) is incredibly frustrating. Click on a revision, read the whole doc, repeat…

As a sibling says,

> Oh and typography.

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by LoSboccacc on Saturday August 29, 2015 @10:17AM (#10140050)
Tables and images positioning to begin with. Text flow around objects as well. Oh and typography.
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by sp332 on Saturday August 29, 2015 @09:48AM (#10139957)
I think you missed the word "online". https://office.live.com/start/Word.aspx
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by LoSboccacc on Saturday August 29, 2015 @10:14AM (#10140045)
x) Anything related with drivers, especially video and audio

With the exception of printers. Omg printers are such a PITA on windows I often just send a pdf to me and print it with the phone.

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by tracker1 on Saturday August 29, 2015 @09:05PM (#10141908)
The past several printers I've had... I just had to open the add printer dialog (which is more of a pain than it should be) and it would just detect the printer.. this is from win7 through 10.

Now getting a new printer (new hardware) installed in Linux isn't usually so easy.. unless you're using a fairly mainstream HP Laser printer, which is actually what I recommend because it's so straight forward. Outside of that it's almost always a pain. My current printer is rigged up and connected to print from my phone from anywhere, I have it setup for remote printing via Chrome... which is kind of nice, ordering something, or paying a bill on a break at work and being able to print at home.

Unless you're using a really off brand, I haven't had trouble installing on windows via the add printer... it may take a while to download a full device list for printers, which aren't pre-installed, but that's time not difficulty.

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by LoSboccacc on Saturday August 29, 2015 @11:42PM (#10142192)
I've an epson wifi printer and every time it gets a different ip windows can't find it anymore.

I used to have it on a dns reserved ip but damned new telco router doesn't have that option since I upgrades to fiber.

Every time the epson setup wants to restart the whole computer to start the detection and it is so annoying, I just let any other airprint device do the thing.

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by tracker1 on Monday August 31, 2015 @08:13AM (#10146439)
Does the epson itself have a web-ui that you can set a hard-coded address to?

I usually just set all mine in the router, but as you said, that doesn't work for you.

Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by JupiterMoon on Sunday August 30, 2015 @02:36AM (#10142452)
With linux I usually just plug it in then hit print in the application. Then it prints... I've never run into a consumer model that needed installing in any way. I may just have been lucky.
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by tracker1 on Monday August 31, 2015 @07:39AM (#10146329)
I tend to use network printers...
Re:Windows Certificate Manager does not display the complete... by JupiterMoon on Tuesday September 01, 2015 @04:05AM (#10151241)
http://localhost:631/ is your friend then. I hate network printers.