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Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by throwawayaway on Saturday August 22, 2015 @07:23AM (#10102214)
I'll be very short, at least Iran and China didn't invade Iraq and Afghanistan on false pretenses. They aren't currently droning civilians in 5 countries. If you pay taxes in America you are financially supporting their military efforts, that's how I look at it.
Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by sildur on Saturday August 22, 2015 @07:56AM (#10102274)
China invaded Tibet on false pretenses.
Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by throwawayaway on Saturday August 22, 2015 @08:39AM (#10102336)
What's the bodycount? Incidentally, may I ask how far back in history you are going, is it something more recent than this:

> In October 1950, the People's Liberation Army entered the Tibetan area of Chamdo, defeating sporadic resistance from the Tibetan army.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tibet#1950_to_prese...

This?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Tibetan_unrest#Casualties...

Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by sildur on Saturday August 22, 2015 @04:40PM (#10103669)
Using your logic, spraying a country with mustard gas is better than killing half of their citizens, as the body count is smaller.
Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by throwawayaway on Saturday August 22, 2015 @04:51PM (#10103709)
Which crime is worse is the question you should be asking, instead of trying to invert the interpretation for reasons unknown.
Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by kjs3 on Saturday August 22, 2015 @09:05AM (#10102386)
How many bodies do you need before you care?
Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by throwawayaway on Saturday August 22, 2015 @09:22AM (#10102428)
1, I want to compare atrocities. You need numbers for that.
Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by kjs3 on Saturday August 22, 2015 @10:31AM (#10102580)
You mean like "Only 10,000 of your people died. 20,000 of theirs did, so your atrocity isn't as important as theirs."? Helluva world view.
Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by throwawayaway on Saturday August 22, 2015 @04:11PM (#10103600)
I certainly think 20,000 deaths is worse than 10,000 deaths yes.

I believe there is a much greater discrepancy than 2x, between the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and ongoing drone strikes inflicting civilian casualties, and Chinese incursions into Tibet.

That's not to say I support China in their incursions into Tibet. I am very sympathetic to those who have had atrocities committed towards them.

I do think however that the scale of a crime is important, and can be compared.

With the numbers you can make meaningful comparisons. This person committed two murders, this person committed one. To suggest all atrocities are equal is weak.

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Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by throwawayaway on Saturday August 22, 2015 @05:32PM (#10103850)
Well we have completely opposing views in that case. I think if you cannot compare atrocities or crimes you are suffering from sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies (i.e. morally bankrupt) but I say that as an armchair psychologist, much like you say what you say as an armchair moralist.

I think given any number of examples you would gladly compare crimes and atrocities and quite easily state which you think is worse.

Society does this also, you can usually find it expressed in the sentencing for crimes.

Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by kjs3 on Saturday August 22, 2015 @06:48PM (#10104074)
I think if you cannot compare atrocities or crimes you are suffering from sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies

So because I don't tier atrocities into more or less horrifying based on numbers and treat them all as a negative means I have "sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies"? Doesn't take much to understand you don't know what those words mean, including moralist and psychologist.

Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by throwawayaway on Saturday August 22, 2015 @06:59PM (#10104102)
We both treat them as negative, however that you are unable to appreciate differences in extent raises serious questions for you, yes.

Society seems to be able to distinguish between different crimes and atrocities, yet you seem unwilling in this case.

Suggesting that those who can make such comparisons are morally bankrupt is quite a stretch, don't you think?

Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by jgome on Sunday August 23, 2015 @03:35AM (#10104944)
Let me add to that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_r...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_mili...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_interventions_of_the_...

If you look at history, China looks way more pacifist than the US. In fact, one has to wonder why the US govt. and media keep spreading fear about China... Perhaps the US govt./media are scared of some country doing to them the exact same things they do and have done to other countries.

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Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by throwawayaway on Saturday August 22, 2015 @09:29AM (#10102439)
Your Iran point: How many civilians have Israel taken out in the recent past? America plays the proxy war game too. How much of ISIS armament is of American origin? How many civilians have ISIS taken out?

I guess if you are from the country, it's less likely that you would outraged by your own military's actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_mili...

Thanks for the information regarding China's belligerence, but Chinese citizens might be more sympathetic to that. Much like any nationalists being sympathetic to their own nation's causes.

Once you suggest a place as an alternative place to live, it's worth thinking about what a person who moves there would be supporting financially with their taxes.

Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by vchynarov on Saturday August 22, 2015 @02:08PM (#10103189)
What? "America plays the proxy war game too. How much of ISIS armament is of American origin?". America's proxy war involvement is well known, but you picked the most ridiculous conflict that has nothing to do with this. Your argument is ISIS equipment being American. What? That's because equipment given to Iraqis being captured, a very well documented problem. Your implication is the most ridiculous thing I have read in this thread so far.
Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by elektromekatron on Saturday August 22, 2015 @03:40PM (#10103488)
Creating a power vacuum with a load of weapon caches left behind and hastily trained folk guarding them, does have a pretty predictable outcome.
Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by vchynarov on Saturday August 22, 2015 @04:00PM (#10103559)
This is a slipper slope if I've ever seen one. Aid to Syrian rebels is already known, one of the parties to which a proxy war might be a somewhat reasonable assumption. However, given the long involvement of the US in Iraq, this is a very far-fetched conspiracy theory to say the least.
Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by throwawayaway on Saturday August 22, 2015 @04:08PM (#10103590)
You may want to read this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-...

A lot of these guys ended up in ISIS, it would be foolish to assume otherwise. If you view America's foreign policy aim as maintaining an unstable middle east, then it's not a slippery slope argument.

Re:“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop... by elektromekatron on Saturday August 22, 2015 @04:43PM (#10103682)
Is also possibly an idiot-trap on a grand scale. If you have a widely dispersed enemy, leave some treats in an area that can be encircled.