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Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by trhway on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @02:08AM (#10083903)
the higher the chimney the stronger the draft. Sucking up high talent into the upstarts means good openings in the giants for the rest of us :)
Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by optimusclimb on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @02:33AM (#10083976)
Or maybe it just means try harder to follow the momentum and go for those upstarts?

Years ago, I thought, "Why would I want to bust my butt to join Goog or similar and be a cog in a giant machine?" It seemed to me like you try hard to prove yourself to get in just to be on the bottom of the totem pole where being recognized would be very hard. So I didn't bother and worked at other smaller companies.

In retrospect, it seems like your best move in the Valley IS to just try to get in to the biggest, best name, with the most talent flowing into it. IF and when you want to leave for somewhere smaller (or start your own), you'll be well served for having done it, networked, gotten the resume boost, etc.

So while yes, it may be true that the updraft opens up spots, maybe if you get one, you'll be looking back and seeing that during those years, having Goog or similar on the resume will not be as boosting to your career as Uber or AirBNB et al.

Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by trhway on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @02:47AM (#10084006)
>your best move in the Valley IS to just try to get in to the biggest, best name, with the most talent flowing into it.

even better to get into such a company before it becomes that "best name". Unfortunately, on couple occasions i wasn't able to recognize it - they were such ugly ducklings back at the time :)

Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by keithwhor on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @05:11AM (#10084392)
Isn't every successful startup an ugly duckling at some point?
Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by humanrebar on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @08:08AM (#10084904)
Zynga was an ugly duckling for sure.
Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by StavrosK on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @08:26AM (#10084974)
When did Zynga blossom into a beautiful swan? It just grew up to be an ugly duck.
Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by humanrebar on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @08:43AM (#10085032)
Exactly. Well put. Sometimes ugly ducklings grow up to be ugly ducks.
Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by venomsnake on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @05:42AM (#10084465)
Except Uber - they were (self) described as revolutionary since day 1.
Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by dylanjermiah on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @07:33PM (#10089230)
That is false. Travis and Garret just wanted to get a ride quickly (in '08). When they started in '10 neither wanted to run a 'limo company' as they described it, bringing in Ryan Graves. After Travis saw what it could be, he stepped in.
Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by pixelp3 on Thursday August 20, 2015 @03:13AM (#10090385)
"It seemed to me like you try hard to prove yourself to get in just to be on the bottom of the totem pole where being recognized would be very hard. So I didn't bother and worked at other smaller companies."

Is recognition one's main objective when working at such companies?

Some people do it for the pride. But for many the chance to work on some great projects and learn from arguably the best in the industry is an opportunity which is too hard to pass up.

Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by eru on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @02:30AM (#10083966)
This seems like the Luddite fallacy backwards?
Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by thwest on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @05:57AM (#10084514)
You shouldn't be so quick to buy into the myth that the Luddites were anti-technology.
Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by eru on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @06:13AM (#10084555)
Oh, I didn't want to talk about technology. What I meant, just because good people leave a company, doesn't mean that there are new openings for lesser skilled people.

Just like good people flocking to a company don't necessarily diminish the company's appetite for hiring lesser skilled people, it might even make hiring `minions' for the `rockstars' more attractive, if they are complementary.

Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by tsotha on Wednesday August 19, 2015 @08:29PM (#10089402)
But this is how rockstars are made. You hire in as a minion, you work hard, learn everything you can, and after a few years you can leave a rockstar. I doubled my salary each time I moved for the first three development jobs.
Re:Upstarts raid giants for talent in Silicon Valley by eru on Thursday August 20, 2015 @01:19AM (#10090126)
Definitely. I didn't quite double mine each time, but I did get good raises out of jumping ship.

But that had nothing to do with better people leaving my target companies.