News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:VW Has Spent Two Years Trying to Hide a Big Security Flaw by mikeash on Friday August 14, 2015 @11:03AM (#10060457)
Theft of newer-model cars is extremely rare and I don't think vulnerabilities will change that much. Anything that requires computers at all is going to be beyond the average car thief.

If you're worried about safety, buy a car with a good crash safety rating. You're far more likely to get into a normal crash due to bad human drivers or mechanical failures than you are to be hacked.

If you're worried about the financial loss from a crash or theft, your best protection is good insurance.

Re:VW Has Spent Two Years Trying to Hide a Big Security Flaw by fastandfurryous on Friday August 14, 2015 @01:49PM (#10061584)
You're making the mistake of assuming car thiefs are unintelligent or unorganized. Successful thefts that return a profit require a network of skilled people to pull off and talent can be found within that pool or recruited.

By saying a thief would have to understand how a computer exploit works, it's saying a thief needed the equivalence of an engineering degree to drive away with a car before computers entered the equation. Exploit discovery, maybe, but it doesn't take much to execute packaged tools you bought on the blackmarket.

Re:VW Has Spent Two Years Trying to Hide a Big Security Flaw by mikeash on Friday August 14, 2015 @02:03PM (#10061681)
I'm basing it off the observation that newer cars are essentially never stolen, while popular older cars are stolen in vast numbers.

Whatever the reason, stealing newer cars is harder. That increased difficulty translates into decreased theft rates.

Re:VW Has Spent Two Years Trying to Hide a Big Security Flaw by RaleyField on Friday August 14, 2015 @09:20PM (#10063933)
> while popular older cars are stolen in vast numbers

For now. Once they get out of circulation only newer cars will be left and at that time it might be that thieves could buy devices to hack into these cars just as you can rent botnets today.

Re:VW Has Spent Two Years Trying to Hide a Big Security Flaw by ceejayoz on Friday August 14, 2015 @11:05AM (#10060480)
> Anything that requires computers at all is going to be beyond the average car thief.

Not for long.

Re:VW Has Spent Two Years Trying to Hide a Big Security Flaw by mikeash on Friday August 14, 2015 @11:10AM (#10060514)
Well sure, pretty much by definition. Car thieves who can't handle technology will eventually have to stop stealing cars. There are only so many late 90s Honda Accords out there to be stolen, after all, and they aren't making any more.

But I really doubt that all the thieves out there will learn fancy technology so they can steal newer cars. A few will, but most will find other things to steal.

Right now, popular new cars are stolen in amounts of hundreds per year in the US. Older cars (like the Honda Accord) are stolen by the tens of thousands. That's not because older cars are more valuable, it's just because it's a lot easier.

Re:VW Has Spent Two Years Trying to Hide a Big Security Flaw by leni536 on Friday August 14, 2015 @11:20AM (#10060581)
Oh, then there is a pretty open market on preconfigured "thief tools".
Re:VW Has Spent Two Years Trying to Hide a Big Security Flaw by walshemj on Friday August 14, 2015 @12:17PM (#10060960)
really there has been an epidemic of thefts of range rovers in London - car theft gangs are not some kid with a screwdriver any more.