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Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by mrweasel on Thursday August 06, 2015 @09:47AM (#10016323)
I wanted to ask if anyone seriously believed that Uber was making a profit, while requiring funding at their current scale, but then again what are they spending all that money on?

Sure they need developers, infrastructure, marketing and all the stuff required to run any business, but the drivers and vehicles aren't costing them money. So why do they need $1bn in cash? It would be very interesting to see the Uber yearly budget.

Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by kuschku on Thursday August 06, 2015 @09:49AM (#10016342)
Lobbying, lobbying, and lobbying. It’s cheaper to lobby against mandatory insurance than to actually pay for it.
Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by icebraining on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:12AM (#10016515)
What mandatory insurance does Uber fail to provide?
Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by kuschku on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:15AM (#10016544)
In Germany, if you transport passengers commercially, your normal insurance does not apply. As, if you operate a car, you have to have an insurance, you have to have a seperate insurance for the cases where you operate a car while transporting someone commercially.

UberPop did not provide those insurances, and instead said the drivers would have to pay them themselves. As that is not acceptable for the drivers, and Uber directly suggests the drivers to just drive without insurance, the courts ruled that Uber will be fined 240k€ for every business interaction its UberPop service does without providing this insurance.

Remember, not all taxi regulations in Europe are crazy, most actually make sense.

Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by drzaiusapelord on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:21AM (#10016603)
>Remember, not all taxi regulations in Europe are crazy, most actually make sense.

That's a bold claim. No government is immune from protectionism legislation and corruption, in fact this is the defacto mode of almost all governments. I'm getting a little sick of Europeans thinking their shit doesn't stink. Paris cab drivers were throwing cinder blocks onto cars with impunity last month. You people aren't special, you're just unbelievable statist to the point of not questioning your government. The German laws sound corrupt as well. Everything about the taxi industry is a shitshow. Lets all accept that. This is why Uber is so exciting and popular. The cab industry deserves to be disrupted. Considering political corruption over the decades, this path won't be easy, but its worth doing.

Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by kuschku on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:35AM (#10016700)
I’m not saying the government is immune from corruption, and while I do not think protectionism is bad, the government here does not intervene with this at all.

Uber is not even treated legally as taxi service, but as chauffeur-for-hire service, meaning they only need to do 2 things: Their drivers have a drivers license, their cars are insured.

The drivers license for taxi drivers, chauffeurs and bus drivers costs 55€. fifty-five Euro. That’s nothing.

And one can reasonably demand that cars on the street are insured, as especially in car crashes it is helpful.

Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by arturhoo on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:16AM (#10016552)
Supposing that the money collected from drives is able to pay for drivers, engineering and digital infrastructure, I'd guess that the big loss comes from the cost of growing to new cities.

Usually there is a international growth employee that comes to a city, establishing an office and looking for key hires such as marketing and operation analysts. At least in Brazil, they also spend a good amount of money hiring security for big events for preventing assaults from regular taxi drivers, lawyers and also paying the bills for when Uber cars are towed away by city law enforcers.

They are constantly issuing vouchers for free and discounted rides, as well as making promotional campaigns where they deliver ice cream or nail-care services for free.

Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by vasilipupkin on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:00AM (#10016432)
My guess is regulatory and compliance costs are immense, for every city they expand into. Once they reach some sort of regulation equilibrium though, those costs should subside over time. But this is just a guess on my part
Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by jfoster on Thursday August 06, 2015 @09:52AM (#10016370)
Promotional rides for new users.
Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by pen2l on Thursday August 06, 2015 @09:56AM (#10016399)
Please expand more. I've never used Uber before -- but I'm happy to use it once or twice if I can get it for "free"!
Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by citricsquid on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:06AM (#10016478)
If you sign up with someones referral code then you get free credit (the amount varies depending on country, in England it's £10 at present) and the referrer gets credit too. Anyone with an Uber account can refer people, for example here is my link: http://uber.com/invite/ubercitricsquid

Alternatively you can just search "uber invite" on Twitter and you'll find any number of people hawking their own referral links. There was an article earlier in the year about someone who gained tens of thousands of dollars in Uber credit through taking advantage of the referral system: http://www.businessinsider.com/blake-jareds-50000-uber-credi...

Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by jfoster on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:13AM (#10016528)
Apologies; I shouldn't have assumed everyone is familiar with Uber. They regularly run promotions to get new users; ordering free ice cream via the app, for example. In addition to that, they have a referral program whereby one customer refers a new customer, and they both get a free or discounted ride. My invite code is xqdr9 if you want to go for a spin.

Basically, they're spending up to about $50 for each pair of users engaging in that way. It's likely the users will eventually become loyal Uber customers, but Uber might not realize that return in the short-term. It's the cost of growing so quickly, and the money they've raised is essentially to fund this.

Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by manacit on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:04AM (#10016463)
First time riders can get a $30 ride for free, for example: https://www.uber.com/promo

Depending on the city the promotions may get more aggressive, they also have a Get $25, Give $25 deal for referring new riders.

Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by basseq on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:07AM (#10016482)
Here's a promo code for a free ride (helps me, too): SNIMH
Re:Uber operating at big losses, suggests document leak by hueving on Thursday August 06, 2015 @10:12AM (#10016519)
When they move into a new town, the prices seem to be really low to attract new users. I think during this initial phase they may actually end up paying for each ride to entice both drivers and passengers.