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I do agree that trains and then streetcars created suburban corridors, but suburbia as we know it today became possible with highways and mainstream car adoption post WW2, at least in the US.

Ultimately the early generations of flying cars are not capable enough to replace all car use. The Tesla Roadster or even the Nissan Leaf did not replace a first or second car but was an additional vehicle for most buyers.

The two first order reasons (certification overhead on engineering and low volumes) as to why personal aircraft are so expensive can finally be addressed. https://www.tsungxu.com/i/202017969/the-small-aircraft-cost-...
Walking made 2-mile villages feel local.

Cars made 20-mile cities feel local.

Flying cars will make 200-mile regions feel local.

Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @05:11PM (#44251848)
Yeah it's a strange term because it probably originated relative to fixed wing planes. Ie a VTOL plane. But now multicopters are the predominant species so VTOL can sound redundant to most drone builders today.
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @05:08PM (#44251826)
Thanks, really appreciate that
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @05:08PM (#44251820)
Thanks! Not robust exactly because the filament I used is has really poor impact and UV resistance. But that's the tradeoff with lightweighting
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @10:39AM (#44248126)
Yes, you're right, I meant ACCST not SBUS
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @10:37AM (#44248101)
Thanks! On the normal jobs point though, see Peter Ryseck's build which got him hired by Joby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2N_lyO_SQ

Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @10:34AM (#44248069)
This is neat! It seems like it could help with set up speed generally and also simplicity for beginners
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @10:33AM (#44248058)
Aesthetics follows function in this case. And agreed VTOL is not beneficial at hobbyist scale for most because of the ease and short distances required to hand/runway launch and land an RC plane
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @10:31AM (#44248028)
Great question, but spinning lifting motors in cruise draws more power than it's worth for efficiency.

There's ways to use differential thrust for multiple cruise motors to roll if not positioned at spanwise Cg (e.g. wing mounted like in a commercial jet), but again, usually not efficient. Servos are a small mass fraction relative to other components.

Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @10:15PM (#44243577)
I actually managed to batch print the wing sections which you can see in the video in the rebuild chapter. That works really well for wing sections because each takes up a minimal bed area
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:30PM (#44243352)
I saw that one too which was also incredible. This latest record was from a few days ago https://youtu.be/8p5eZ4ZRkfY?si=hSxTh5BeSyEwzpy8
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:29PM (#44243343)
A1, 256 x 256 mm lets me print these wings in four sections (including a double walled thin section for the boom mounts). With a high AR glider you'd probably need a few more. Carbon fiber spars + CA glue will do the trick for attaching them
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:20PM (#44243298)
Thank you, appreciate that!
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:09PM (#44243246)
Yes and there is foaming ASA as well which is almost as light as foaming PLA. But I can't print ASA well on my A1 and the weight penalty was still enough that I didn't try, given the mission profile of flight time.
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @08:19PM (#44242967)
This actually has decent flight time! Could probably push close to 3 hours if using higher energy density (and cost) battery cells like the silicon anode ones I used.
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @08:17PM (#44242954)
I used single wall foaming PLA which has filament density of ~0.45 g/cm3 at 250 degree nozzle temp, about 64% lower than normal PLA. But it is even worse for impact resistance than normal PLA. Weight was the primary driver for this plane
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @08:09PM (#44242906)
Thanks a bunch! Good point, might share there as well
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @08:08PM (#44242903)
Thank you!
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @08:08PM (#44242901)
Yes it really depends on the transmitter protocol. I was using SBUS, simple, cheap, familiar from my previous project. But limited to < 1 mile or so I believe, but ELRS and other protocols allow tens of miles or more.
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @08:06PM (#44242890)
Yes, one of the challenges though is airframe structural integrity when building it yourself. Need to have good enough understanding of multicopter and fixed wing plane design
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @08:05PM (#44242877)
Thanks! I'm using the standard Ardupilot control systems for hover, transition and cruise flight. On the firmware side, it's just some parameters and tuning that is customized.

What I started with - Had built one VTOL before from foamboard, not 3D printed. - Familiar with Ardupilot from that project and assembling a multicopter and COTS VTOL. - So I had a little experience building a structurally sound airframe for VTOL loads, but 3D printing was a wrinkle. - How I worked it out is a hard question. But it was being focused with design, flight testing and troubleshooting. LLMs, Youtube, forums, etc for help when needed. - Building in public helped paradoxically. It actually saves me time to build in public because of the motivation boost that helps me move faster and to share progress sooner. Even though there's a higher lift to document and share.

Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @07:55PM (#44242813)
Thanks and yes I'm glad you say that. Would love to see it. It's hard to convey how much faster and better your work will be if you are actually passionate about it.
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @07:54PM (#44242803)
Great question! I don't think there's any sub $5k VTOL you can just buy COTS that can get close to 3 hours of range. Also, nothing is as plug and play as DJI. If you're motivated enough to do a little DIY and learn how to use Ardupilot or PX4 (easier), you can buy a kit like the Heewing T2 VTOL and assemble yourself. But I don't think that will do more than two hours flight time, even with a similarly high energy density battery pack to what I used.
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @06:52PM (#44242403)
Thank you!
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @06:52PM (#44242401)
Still tba if/what I open source
Re:Show HN: I made a 3D printed VTOL drone on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @06:17PM (#44242097)
It's great, check out the Slo Mo guys video from that same tour for the prop smoke vortex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yaAFLpLmVg

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