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very cool!

The fact you don't know my name is the funniest part of this given you just slopped a whole video about me and my framework. Wow.

Because you are actively hurting projects that do care

I'm the author of Datastar and I find this response hilarious given you didn't reach out to me about correctness in public or private. Your content is full of incorrect statements. I even posted in the comments of the video to try to correct the FUD. You didn't do real effort and it shows

HTMX only does GET, doesn't to expo backoff, etc. Let alone the fact you need more extensions. Try it before claiming victory maybe?

the true irony is the article is about datastar, never change hackernews

things like datastar handle this automatically for you

ai slop

HTMX v4 doesn't actually address what's makes Datastar work at it's core. It at best it copies some of the broad strokes of the API but not in a robust it efficient spec compliant way

nice try cultist, ngmi

You're absolutely right!

Datastar btw

your understanding is very wrong. please read the docs or better yet the actual code.

Really powerful and interesting approach!

This is well known. You can have full reactivity without being JS heavy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W6Lr1hRgXo is a perfect example

he is out of line, but he is right

It's a direct support in binary for the primitives available in JSON. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

you have a point https://x.com/htmx_org/photo

So much misunderstanding of the details without actually trying it. I said clearly if you have metrics to back up claims great! Otherwise it's pure FUD which goes against actual metrics in the wild. Back up your assertions with actual code, that'd be great since you are so confident its 99% wrong.

Look at any Datastar demo, updates in microseconds above half RTT. Look at Andrew's demo above. We are actually working with Joel on possibly moving our already fastest approach to morphing to a version of his morphlex work. Actually try it and measure for yourself

You are so off basis it hurts. Show metrics to back your claims or sit back down

I make technical decisions based off of metrics. Last time we talked as soon as I showed you flamegraphs you yeeted. If you think D* version of morph is just idiomorph... please, make charts that actually show that to be the case.

You are right! without HTMX 1 and the choices for future dev there would be no Datastar! If you think having a full framework while still allowing super easy way to make whatever API as you see fit is putting someone down, idk, ngmi.

I hope you realize literally everything is a plug-in. The core is < 4kb. Also Datastar is literally smaller than HTMX so this is already kinda funny

The power in Datastar is YOU get to choose what plugins you use to build the API you what... want data-get, it's a few lines away from being yours! You can rebuild all of HTMX in Datastar, not the other way around. https://data-star.dev/examples/custom_plugin is a great intro

Oh noes, we agree on stuff. I don't know what to do now... stare at feet.

So you can support JSON while still being REST. For example, Datastar supports merging in HTML, JS, JSON into the current view of a resource. They work together to keep the resource state unified versus polling. In general the Datastar way is...

1. make an MPA 2. each page is a resource 3. keep a stream open on the current state of that resource 4. ship, touch grass, repeat

You are right! If this is enough to put you off the project then I hope you find one that aligns with your ideals.

hey Alex, I hope you are well. Datastar has had direct support for req/rep of HTML, JS, JSON while still morphing for a quite a while. They allow you to go as coarse as you want. Give the size and ability to choose what plugins you actually need seems like Datastar is more in line with your wants at this point. Strange times.

To be fair, the idiomorph work came from Datastar and Turbo community efforts. There is a whole podcast about Micah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrtBBqyDrJU&pp=ygUOZGF0YXN0Y.... Latent has been a huge force behind these ideas as well!