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Re:Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio – Tufte's Razor on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @06:13PM (#49984875)
I plan to add another example to compare the density of data contained in different types of charts. However, in that case you are picking chart type based on what best shows the relationships contained within the dataset; optimizing the data-ink ratio is secondary to that, because it doesn't matter how high or low your data-ink ratio is if the chart type used is not the best one for your use case.
Re:Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio – Tufte's Razor on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @06:09PM (#49984836)
I refer you to the article I wrote about optimizing data-ink ratio (rather than maximizing it as many people believe the intent to be): https://scienceux.org/articles/data-ink-ideal-vs-minimal

Many principles and concepts are based on ideal scenarios when we know that realistically there are different contexts and situations when you also need to break the rule. I am not suggesting that we should cut everything out, but rather that we try to understand good graph design rules and what effects it has on the data-ink ratio. You'll find that some best practices actually increase the data-ink ratio, while others reduce it.

Re:Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio – Tufte's Razor on Monday October 05, 2026 @08:41PM (#49972729)
Yes, it would. And if you use black paper, then it is the white ink (I assume you use white ink) that you need to calculate for the data-ink ratio.

Just out of curiosity, what do you use black paper for?

Re:Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio – Tufte's Razor on Monday October 05, 2026 @08:40PM (#49972715)
For sure! It is all about context of use and the audience. I think the pie chart also serves its purpose in the right context and in front of the right audience. I would probably write a much longer article using different charts to illustrate all the various contexts but I don't want to be writing a textbook in the era of short attention spans. In this case, picking a bar chart to illustrate some principles clearly isn't going to satisfy everyone :p

But I will perhaps add a couple more examples based on all the comments and feedback so far. If nothing else I certainly enjoyed getting more people thinking and talking about how we can improve data visualization design!

Re:Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio – Tufte's Razor on Monday October 05, 2026 @08:36PM (#49972687)
This is actually a great paper to read (and as you say, quite recent for this type of review), and it does touch on the topic of "How to Design a Perceptually Efficient Visualization", which I think is most relevant to what an optimal data-ink ratio will provide for the audience (i.e. clarity and reduced amount of clutter). However, the only mention it makes about data-ink ratio (it doesn't do this directly) is that:

"Despite strong calls to declutter visualizations (e.g., Tufte, 1983), there is only mixed evidence that this practice improves aesthetic ratings and little evidence that the prescription affects objective performance. Several studies have measured aesthetic ratings for cluttered versus decluttered charts, and some have shown clear preferences for decluttered versions (Ajani et al., 2021) and others, surprisingly, showing the opposite (Hill et al., 2017; Inbar et al., 2007). Researchers who have found the opposite have typically argued either that viewers’ higher level of familiarity with cluttered charts make those charts more attractive or that decluttered charts that are too minimalistic become boring. Another possibility is that users may prefer particular depiction styles for particular purposes, mindful of their audience and goals (Levy et al., 1996). Objective performance measures, such as the speed with which viewers can compute means across values in a bar graph, also present mixed evidence. For example, that speed can be slightly faster when some forms of “clutter,” such as axis tick marks, are removed but slower when other elements are removed (Gillan & Richman, 1994). Given the large number of design elements that could count as clutter, combined with the large number of tasks that one could complete on a visualization, some have argued that a simple rule for whether to declutter is unlikely to arise and have discouraged further empirical testing given the small and mixed effects found so far (Ajani et al., 2021)."

I am certainly not arguing for the fact that the data-ink ratio is a magic number, but quite the opposite - I believe that even trying to maximize or minimize a ratio is full of dangers and traps, but instead we should understand our design decisions and be aware of its impact in a more considered and objective way. The discussions here suggests people don't believe it is a magic number, but it also shouldn't be discarded when it does have some value.

Re:Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio – Tufte's Razor on Monday October 05, 2026 @08:25PM (#49972615)
I think what you said about 'trying to optimize it' is actually on the spot. I think what too many people try to do is to 'maximize' or 'minimize' it without really understanding the impact of designing based on metrics. But I think what we can do is use a metric to understand some of the impact of our design decisions, and help clarify why it might make sense to do something. Even the best designers will know when it makes sense to break rules (because there are often good reasons to do so).

You are right in that there is a lack of empirical evidence in how to apply the data-ink ratio to design. This is one of the reasons why I am trying to sift through the previous research that makes claims without really testing them properly, so that I can hopefully make better sense of it with better research.

Re:Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio – Tufte's Razor on Monday October 05, 2026 @08:20PM (#49972580)
I think your point illustrates that optimizing data-ink ratio is not as simple as the concept of data-ink sounds, when it comes to best practices for data visualization design.

If you want to encourage people to compare bar heights, you can certainly leave the grey horizontal lines. But if you directly labeled the bars with values then you don't need to scan from the vertical axis across individual bars to do that processing in your head. And if you removed the vertical axis labels that don't represent values being charted while also sorting the categories by their value, you can further remove another step in the process.

The point is that you can try to optimize in either direction of the data-ink ratio, but you should be aiming to just blindly increase or decrease it. Often it ends up making very little difference to the actual ratio value (which relates more to information density), and you need other design techniques to improve clarity and reduce clutter.

Re:Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio – Tufte's Razor on Monday October 05, 2026 @08:13PM (#49972528)
There is a distinction between non-data-ink and redundant data-ink that is being made here. Whereas non-data-ink is usually easier to identify, redundant data-ink is somewhat subjective to how we view the information and process it. But you can argue that something is redundant if removing it doesn't change the amount of information contained within the chart that is required to understand and interpret it. However, you could also argue that different people interpret things differently, and therefore having different ways to do that will have some use.

Rather than trying to create unnecessarily debate, the intent is to try and help people understand the metric beyond a simple value but how the concept can be applied.

More importantly, it is not about simply chasing a perfect value that doesn't exist, but to optimize it within a specific context for your audience.

Re:Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio – Tufte's Razor on Monday October 05, 2026 @08:08PM (#49972476)
I wrote the article thinking that I won't need to explain some of the points explicitly with examples that are going to be subject to some criticism. But of course people who read the article asked for that and so I tried to illustrate some of the points as best as I can, but it is hard to please everyone. Nonetheless, I prefer to try and make a point for the sake of moving towards clarity rather than to continue circling in a place that I am not so happy with at the moment.
Re:Demystifying Tufte's data-ink ratio – Tufte's Razor on Monday October 05, 2026 @08:03PM (#49972441)
If you only take that idea in one direction then I agree that it is pretty silly. However, the spirit of the visualization suggests finding a balance and optimizing the data-ink ratio rather than searching for a perfect value. If you follow the link you'll find the article I wrote talking about this: https://scienceux.org/articles/data-ink-ideal-vs-minimal

All the points that you make are very much valid, and it is good that you have pointed these things out because I wouldn't want people to follow these principles blindly without thinking about it for themselves.

I haven't considered the 'ratio of integral of norm of gradient of colour' too much (because it is easier to start simple and build on it), but I hope you might consider elaborating on it.

Re:The UX Research Methodology subway map trap on Monday September 14, 2026 @09:32PM (#49706622)
When I saw the UX Research Tools Map 2026 by User Interviews for the first time (I think 2025 was a fantasy map of some sort, a lot of effort spent on it for sure), something that I predicted when I saw the Subway Map to Agile Practices seemed to have come true...
Re:Ask HN: Books Written for Polyglots? on Friday August 14, 2026 @08:12PM (#49306177)
How did you come across this book? Sounds very interesting... I'll have to check it out!

Ask HN: Books Written for Polyglots?

There have been a lot of YouTube videos posted by polyglots about how to learn a second language (or more), but I have never seen anything written specifically for polyglots to read.That is, are there books written in more than one language at the same time (not translated from one to another) so that you need to know more than one language to understand fully?

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Re:UX StackExchange – less questions, less answers on Thursday May 14, 2026 @03:45AM (#48132295)
Even before the AI disruption, the writing was already on the wall for design creativity and professional development.
Re:StackOverflow's Alarming Q+A Drop on Thursday May 14, 2026 @03:42AM (#48132276)
The writing was on the wall even before the AI disruption
Re: on Thursday May 14, 2026 @03:35AM (#48132225)
Creativity is a funny thing because most (or too many) people that come to the classes, or perhaps think about coming to the classes, are afraid of it because they don’t believe they’re creative.

I hear that a lot, particularly from blokes that say: “Oh, I’m just not creative.”

Re:Nintendo Wii Themed Portfolio on Saturday February 07, 2026 @04:37PM (#46928360)
Nice to see someone put some passion and energy into their portfolio design that is sure to give AI parsers a hard time!
Re:Ask HN: Could you share your personal website here? on Friday January 16, 2026 @04:52PM (#46652724)
https://hanakami.art - what is hanakami? You can find out more here: https://origamiusa.org/thefold/article/art-hanakami-or-flowe...

Why would anyone want to fold flower petals into origami? I guess you'll have to read it to find out.

Re:Why senior engineers let bad projects fail on Friday January 16, 2026 @04:46PM (#46652657)
If the author had replaced the term "UX" with design, then the article would make more sense to me. To continue with the misuse of UX in IT to mean fancy and unnecessary design seems quite strange, because design has always been a factor in how successful projects will be (not just the interface but the whole process of delivery on an outcome).
I would say so based on the demographic profile: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/developers#profile
Just curious what people make out of it since it is probably one of the longer standing surveys across the industry.
Re: on Saturday July 19, 2025 @07:58PM (#44620621)
Thoughts on Parkour and Woodwork

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