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Is your better standard much better? It is unethical to cause harm in order to study the harm done but it is not unethical to cause harm in order to study something that is not the harm done? If not why even make the distinction to begin with?

It’s unethical to -certainly- cause harm.

This is such a banal thing to say. By that logic existing in the contemporary world is unethical. At that point who cares about ethics? Ethics to me is fundamentally about improving life not some nonsense sophist rhetoric.

If I was reading an article in 1944 that says "Germany kills Jews" I would not say the article is bullshit because it takes advantage of anti German xenophobia. I would say man a fucking genocide is happening in Germany, that nation is going to cause problems for the world.

I think the fact that they are Chinese made is completely relevant and I think your comment is bait that plays to people's desire not to be racist. There is a serious rot in the world as a result of the CCP - can we stop acting like fools and admit that is a fact and not some racist nonsense? No one says bashing Nazis is anti German. This is a regime that made meat patties out of the best of their youth and I am so sick of the apologist garbage I see on this website especially from Daniel Gackle.