kitschshrine

uh, this is 2017, not 1930s. let's judge China by today's standard. You can't absolve a sin from someone today because someone else "used to do it" 100 years ago

i was wondering when a 'whataboutism' person was gonna show up. why don't we stay on topic and talk about China. Btw, I'm not American

"I'm not here to spark a tally of which country has committed more atrocities" lol you just did.

so China is

- lead by a billionnaire dictator and son of veteran communist party member, who has shown to purge his enemies, jail innocents/reporters without trial, disappear others. He oppresses the will of hong kongers to self govern, and acts like a crybaby whenever Taiwan, a self-governing democracy, does anything political

- controlled by a "congress" of billionnaires, who work together to exploit workers for pennies on the dollar, turn a blind eye to deadly air pollution/water pollution/poisonous food in favor of money, and when in danger, flees to Australia/Canada/US with billions

- member in WTO, but never abides by any of the rules. Foreign companies are forced to give up tech, partner with locals, suffer 30% import tax, and eventually, leave due to unfairness. And other countries loses factories/jobs/communities. Internet companies are sometimes banned outright.

Of course China needs to spend billions spreading its false/hateful messages via its 50cents army on reddit, facebook, etc. It has a cruel and evil authoritarian dictatorship, that if unchecked, will swallow the world

> miracle of transformation that is modern China

There's no miracle. It's merely the communist party stopping 40 years of criminal abuse of its own citizens, and deciding to rent them out for pennies to the foreign corporations, and making billions in the progress (then allowing its members to escape China with the money).

The miracle actually is that Communist party, with its massive debt, crashing economic policies, authoritarian policies, censorship, human rights abuse, trashing of its environment/food supplies/water supplies, is still standing.

China's economy is crashing. no free lunch anymore. just look at their reserve and debt ratio

> And they do not have subpar education

you seem to be wanting to argue about something which I did not even bring up. internet is not a place you start arguing with yourself.

> it's not more restricted than in the west

Yeah....you keep telling yourself that. I don't think you've actually been to China where foreigners struggles to hit youtube/facebook/google using a variety of VPN tools every day

I think I'll stop...there's too much cognitive dissonance here

Why would any foreigner want to start a company in a country that

- requires you to give up 50% to a local partner

- blocks internet access to foreign websites (thus foreign customers)

- can take away your business/assets/customers without trials

- treats foreigners as a mere entity to steal technology and clients from?

it's a lie, much like the government's made up 7% gdp growth.

"China's liaoning province admitted that it inflated GDP figures from 2011 to 2014"

https://qz.com/887709/chinas-liaoning-province-admitted-that...

They've been saying that since the Chinese economy opened up in the 80s, really opened up in the 90s, really really opened up in the 2000s. so far, nothing in 35 years. Japan had so much innovations in way less time. meanwhile China's economy is crashing down, and no more free FDI to fuel any further progress

And yet just today...

"China’s sprawling Internet censorship regime is harming the country’s economic and scientific progress, a senior official has said in a rare public rebuke of long-standing Chinese Communist Party (CCP) policy."

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2017/03/05/20...

So they're creating alot of startups that probably are just copycats of what's existing. Not surprising considering China really isn't known for innovations.

Highly doubtful on both points. As for open up political system

- Xi Jinping is consolidating his power to be the dictator of China. He is removing rivals using routing out corruption as excuse (and not targeting his own supporters)

- China's economy is crashing. It's approaching 300% debt ratio in combined corporate + government + individual. Its gross reserve is down to less than 3T (IMF believes China needs at least 2.7T to operate). Its net reserve (gross - debt) is down to 1.7T. It had a capital outflow of 700B in 2016. Yuan fell the most in 2016, since 1994. It is now trying to close up the internal system via capital control, rights restrictions, censorship, etc

as for desired spot for foreigners

- Poisonous air - "pollution levels hovering over 12 times the level recommended by the World Health Organization" http://theweek.com/articles/672007/filth-breathe-china

- Poisonous food: "Fake Chinese seasoning ring, operating for 10 years using cancerous industrial ingredients" http://shanghaiist.com/2017/01/17/fake_seasoning_factories.p...

- Dirty water: "Shanghai water supply hit by 100-tonne wave of garbage" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/23/shanghai-water...

- censorship, bad access to world internet, corruption, zenophobia/racism, bad manners/behaviors from locals, no weed

- China only has 600,000 foreigners registered living in there in 2016. Half of those are from Taiwan/Hong Kong. Super small number for a country of 1.3B.

The Chinese communist party (CCP) tortured its own citizens for 40 years. Then it stopped beating them and then rented them out to foreign corporations for pennies on the dollar, for hard, back-breaking labor. Then the CCP members left China with billions and escaped.

You seem to have a warped sense of morality

There are still other issues in China like

- censorship

- bad access to world internet

- corruption

- zenophobia/racism

- bad manners/behaviors from locals

- no weed

- food delicacies (mexican guacamole, european chocolate, real cheeseburger, etc)

he's trying to not die 15-20 years earlier due to the cancerous air/food/water in China

their private valuation is probably somewhere around 4 to 6B now

He was talking about things in China like

Poisonous air - "pollution levels hovering over 12 times the level recommended by the World Health Organization"

http://theweek.com/articles/672007/filth-breathe-china

Poisonous food: "Fake Chinese seasoning ring, operating for 10 years using cancerous industrial ingredients"

http://shanghaiist.com/2017/01/17/fake_seasoning_factories.p...

Dirty water: "Shanghai water supply hit by 100-tonne wave of garbage"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/23/shanghai-water...

China won't be able to afford this; China's pretty broke already in 2016. It's approaching 300% debt ratio in combined corporate + government + individual. Its gross reserve is down to 3T (IMF believes China needs at least 2.5T to operate). Its net reserve (gross - debt) is down to 1.7T. It had a capital outflow of 1T again in 2016. Yuan fell the most in 2016, since 1994. Next year, Japan/US/EU is going to impose import tariff on China, and further crash China's economy.