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Pt 2 https://drjessesantiano.com/absolute-risk-reduction-of-the-c...

If immunity is what people cared about, shouldn't we just do antibodies test instead of a blanket vaccine on all? Some people double vaxxed still present low antibodies. Everyone's biology is going to react differently.

when I hear "it will take a while" type of comment, I take it with a grain of salt. In BC Canada, our health or public health officer said in May of 2021 "..and there is no way that we will recommend inequities be increased our use of things like vaccine passports for services, for public access here in British Columbia" within 4 months she's implemented it.

I do not support mandating vaccines. However I recognize the argument "all kids have to have x numbers of vaccine to attend school already, what is the difference?". Of course not all vaccines are made the same and because of this more and more people will be against the other childhood vaccines that are already here. This is like mandating the flu shots on everyone when really the people being affected by any viruses are going to be the old and those with underlying conditions (those with obesity and diabetes especially)

Anything will kill people in rural areas than urban areas. Due to access to care and resources.

I feel like the efficacy is debatable. It reduces severe symptoms but more and more vaccinated are contracting it daily even in places of 95+% vaccinated so there's a good dialogue to be had here

Even for racism and homophobia has now merged through grey areas. Someone who disagrees with mass immigration is a racist and someone who is pro the sanctity of marriage between man and woman (not that you can't get legal rights as a same sex couple) is now homophobia. There's so much nuance in under these big umbrellas that no one care to have a dialogue about, they just want clear cut right or wrong with the world is filled in fuzzy lines.

"We discussed our concerns with the specialist doctor who has treated her for years. The doctor researched the topic and reached the opinion that she is at increased risk of severe adverse effects due to her condition. We presented to the authorities a note written by the doctor detailing my wife's situation and the conclusion that vaccination is therefore not worth the risk for her.

Our request was rejected. My wife will not receive an exemption from the Opportunity Pass restrictions. We received no explanation. As far as we know, there is no appeal.

We don't know what happened in her case. But in general, our government is opposed to medical exemptions. The authorities have announced that they only allow medical exemptions in cases where a certified allergist doctor finds, through extensive documented testing, that a person is severely allergic to the substance within the vaccine (anaphylactic reactions). In an interview, an official of the Ministry of Health stated that such an allergy is the only allowable exemption and the Ministry dislikes "the tendency to use medical excuses as a justification to not vaccinate"."

they have now undermined doctor-patient trust.

Or you can continue to fight the policies. You don't just bend "a little" for the betterment of the society when the policies aren't actually "for the betterment" of the society. Literate and otherwise-intelligent people will question whether a policy makes sense rather than just blindly follow it. I am more surprised that literate and otherwise-intelligent people who don't even try questioning policies and take whatever the government feeds them.

this might help https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e3ada1a6a2e8d6a131d1...

"The judgment of therapeutic proportionality must be made by the person who is the potential recipient of the intervention in the concrete circumstances,6 not by public health authorities or by other individuals who might judge differently in their own situations."

A family member in BC has been trying to get an exemption from 3 doctors already. 2/3 said they are incredibly shocked that they're not allowed to give them due to threats of having their license taken away. They said they really want to and that if my family member finds a way around it, they will write it.

but also why haven't we empowered physicians to recommend other ways or reducing severity that requires hospitalization? Exercise, vitD, C, Zinc, etc? that hasn't been said anywhere and even if they don't "prevent" covid, they are definitely going to reduce the need to go to the hospitals from other things (incl if you catch covid)

"Because they tend to live longer" so ok let's not vaccinate because the unvaccinated will die off faster and cost the healthcare way less

"But Varaka said he was told by his employer that immediate revaccination was his only option, and he won't be able to get an extension."

This is scary, we don't know what mixing shots and so soon will do to a person. At this point this is hardly about public health anymore, to not even be able to grant exemptions like this.

asides from obese people / poor lifestyle choice people taking up health care resources, not only from Covid but they're also taking up resources from all other ailments that comes up BECAUSE they're obese. As well the culture today encourages plus size, like it's asking to overwhelm the healthcare system

obesity spreads too https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa066082 just not the way you think they do as a virus

The lifestyle change is a choice that we make. For those people that HAVE made these choices, should also have a choice into taking a vaccine when they don't need it, just to satisfy those that have not taken the choice to do the same. Those who are obese, alcoholics or whatever can then take the choice to get vaccinated to better protect themselves

Title's too long to post, original title is: Opinion: Why vaccine passports won't slow COVID spread, will hurt the poor and threaten medical ethics

Not yet (Canada, large private company) - they are working super hard to incentivize us to report our statuses (proof of vaccination or exemption from a bona fide human rights grounds) to be entered into cash prizes. I think they are waiting to see what's happening with the federal election and who has been sued to make their decision.

except a lot of doctors will be unwilling to give out medical exemptions because they are afraid to lose their license (even though they agree with the patient). It's happening here in Canada.

because the science is evolving so we shouldn't have to mandate those who already have natural immunity. Will coercing someone who has natural immunity to take a shot or lose their job be truly that much more beneficial to justify? I don't think so and it's ethically wrong.

further to this, a car manufactured can be liable if the seat belt does not work. You can sue the car manufacture company. You cannot sure Pzifer for example for vaccine side effects.

I disagree with people using or referencing to the seat belt law. A seatbelt can be removed and adjusted to a person. A vaccine cannot. Each individual human being is unique and they will react very differently. I agree that the demographic that are hit the hardest exponentially by covid should protect themselves (60+, obese, other underlying conditions) but everyone else should use discretion and if you don't plan on getting it, there should be alternate measures in place.

Definitely not just European, everywhere around the world. I am in Canada and am feeling this very strongly. Can't image Australia right now

I don't think it's that simple. Could we also triage patients that have an unhealthy lifestyle as recommended against by doctors for a long time? We know eating well works to build and maintain a healthy immune system, and that heart disease and obesity is one major factor to covid hospitalization and death. Could we put put the ones that have decided to stuff their faces with fast and processed foods in the back of the line with all other emergencies?