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So, it's not Microsofts information they are selling for $10/month. They are wholesale ripping it, sans attribution and sans licenses, IN VIOLATION OF LAW on an industrial scale.

It surely must be stopped and punished, or no license will ever be respected again.

MS is taking OTHER PEOPLES CODE and using it ways those people explicitly do not allow and putting it in a walled-garden tool for paid access: license violation as a service.

My, how odd that copilot wants to "liberate" other peoples code from attribution, licenses, the project it was ripped from...

How curious that copilot doesn't ripoff Microsoft Windows or Office code...

Spare us the astroturfed ideals. You are not one of "us", Microsoft PR person.

You sound like a Russian diplomat defending the indefensible.

Um, no. I highly disagree. Simple. Go back to your boss at Microsoft and tell them that your attempts at astro-turfing on a tech-savvy website backfired among the actual programmer public.

You basically come across as a demanding simpleton who thinks FOSS proponents are just a nihilistic mob who want to do rash things like you suggest.

you are either complying with a legally binding license, or you aren't.

Either the user-base of HN suddenly became a bunch of unethical folks who don't CARE about copyrights, usage licenses, authorship, or the future of open-source projects,

OR

This place is currently crawling with Micro$oft employees who have been instructed to swamp the place with disingenuous comments basically amounting to:

1) "fair use" is anything I want it to me

2) gimme your code NOW, because I want it, and it's MINE

3) get used to habitual violation of licenses as the new normal

4) you are ruining progress! harming kittens!

I can't see the actual HN crowd all suddenly being copilot users and fans, so that leaves me to conclude the latter.

I find Microsofts continual business model of evil to be rather threatening and annoying and they need to be checked, as they have only gotten worse with the decades. They abuse their market position to stifle any and all tech innovation. Break them up already.

Frames made a side or top nav clearly separated from the content in the middle. Framesets were super useful, in that regard, in the era of dialup.

That's a general thing I've been noticing.

Maybe it's long COVID or quiet-quitting or was it ghosting? I know it's not gaslighting. I'm trying to keep up, bear with me.

My general sense is that not even Putin believes his own rhetoric, such is his inconsistency of thought.

The reality is that Putin has elected to invade a sovereign neighbor country and can unelect to do so. Not one "western" leader, military or civilian, has threatened Russia "existentially" and certainly no one has threatened to invade Russia.

Putin is a liar, to put it simply. He's apparently playing the crazy-card, in attempts to freak the world out, but his constant threats to the entire world of nuclear first-strikes and then saying that "THIS TIME IS NOT A BLUFF" means that people can't really learn much by his unchanging and silly rhetoric. As some boxer said: "Be aware of the main trunk of his body and where it's moving and watch his hands"

A quote from Kier Giles, whose article in today's Guardian addresses some of the silliness and contradictions in Putin's speech this morning.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/21/vladim...

"few of Putin’s contradictory storylines stand up to even a moment’s critical thought: we are winning in Ukraine – but the forces of the west aligned against us are so powerful that now we need to dig deeper to stay in the fight; our proxy regimes in Ukraine need to hold referendums to join us – but we already know they all want to join; we’re protecting the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Russia itself – but to do this requires incorporating part of another country; our war aim has always simply been to “liberate” Donbas – but to do that we’ve also taken so much of Ukraine that we have a 1,000km frontline."

not the op. agree that op is not refugee fleeing war on inflatable boat.

I distilled "lack of agency" as: not rewarding initiative, people afraid to take initiative. the portuguese boss does not like the employee to take initiative, and the employee will not do so. copying existing British designs is "safer" socially speaking, than making new designs.

source: I'm portuguese, I'm a weirdo and people always try to conform me to a box.

No mention of the vast holdings the church or bombeiros have in Lisbon and the insane amount of empty un-renovated buildings that are essentially just place-holders until the right CML-connected developers show-up with lots of money?

I remember Passos Coelho suggesting that the young will need to emigrate for work, circa the time of the crisis/austerity.

You could say the same about <countryname> where <countryname> is a popular tourist destination that has over 15% of it's economy based in tourism. Czechs were the minority property owners in Prague some 20 years ago, already.

Inflation is occurring at higher rates in some countries than others (cough Estonia, Turkey for example) and Portugal is not exceptional in this respect. The starting salaries for doctors in the Portuguese SNS are terrible, at around 1800 euro for doctors and 1200 euro for nurses. This is insufficient for living in Lisbon or Porto, as the author would agree.

Source: I am Portuguese. I live in central Portugal.

I do not like the authors apparent intentions in trying to incite anti-foreigner sentiments. Portugal has chosen it's own course here, from the Golden Visas to the over-reliance on tourism. Lisbon has it's own management problems that I won't dig into, but suffice it to say that certain places like Lisbon or Porto have become rather expensive, while the majority of the interior of the country continues to be less-inhabited. Our train services were gutted when the public system was privatized and the concession given to a single company.

Monopolies run rampant in Portugal.

Uniquely complaining about PORTUGAL being unaffordable for the PORTUGUESE is such a Portuguese mentality, I can't even. The author needs to live abroad in some other countries for awhile and see how much this is a general issue relating to so-called NICE CITIES becoming horribly expensive. No doubt, we will stop being fashionable at some point, when the "next" cool place becomes king, so the real question is whether we will begin manufacturing and developing other sectors of our economy beyond raw-materials export (low in the capitalist pyramid) and tourism. Make furniture to sell, rather than exporting the timber, so to speak.

It would seem that animals evolved to eat plants and other animals are probably not going to switch to dead packaged food from a singular company en-masse. There are also cultural factors. Meals are one of the few social excuses for hanging out and wasting work time together.

Cue jokes like "... and today was 32% less productive for developers worldwide"

This is a great opportunity to remind everyone about the extremely negative dampening effects Micro$oft has had on innovation in both hardware and operating systems.

It's a monopoly and should have been broken up. We still can barely find OEM-installed Linux laptops, and an entity the size of Dell or Asus could easily float their own distro or add support dollar$ to an existing one.

https://www.concatenative.org/ might be interesting for some folks

actually.... FORTH...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_(programming_language)

Great stuff, this is a different approach than the FORTH books provide, and I suspect it may open other doors.

Let's all talk about US actions while Russia invades Ukraine and flattens shopping centers far away from military targets, mass-executes civilians, etc.

While the US certain has plenty of foreign policy history to answer for, I find the timing of such a post to only be for deflection purposes, or?

The US is not the only power with imperialist ambitions, if one pays a modicum of attention to Russian and Chinese efforts as of late.

The true reality that precedes your complaint:

The world wide web was created as a remote-folder document-browsing application in which an index-page told you of the contents of a folder, etc. One still speaks of a "web root" folder etc.

It wasn't designed as a FRP state-machine, or as a 2-way-bound GUI.

Before the XML Http Request, there was only loading new resources, so the notion of dynamically updating a page UI was entirely dependent upon clicking something and waiting for a new page to load with the hopeful results of your posted form data or whatever, reflected in the UI, IF the developer was kind enough to have done so.

This situation created the complicated frontend situation of today as it became apparent that the Web would be a general client-server application UI

It's more like: there's no standard "backend as a service" API, so it's "vendor lock-in city"

Your complaint has been largely addressed by UI component libraries, starting with React and Vue and now Svelte. One can choose IBM's "carbon" library, or the Google "material UI" library and it's numerous derivatives...

If you wish to be snarky about frontend developers not being "real" developers, then I will duly note that you are chiming in on a "backend as a service" promotional thread, and noting that this concept is fine but proposing that frontend developers are the problem, not the notion of Backend-as-a-Service being any issue, producing vendor-lockin. If CRUD is so-well defined, standardize such a market sector service. I agree that much of web-development is CRUD. Much of desktop and mobile GUI development is wiring. Much of programming is instantiating and connecting pre-written code modules. The details matter. No-Code exists, but look where that leaves you in the app development life-cycle...

If you were to wish to switch backend providers, is there some standard API or interface they adhere to? not yet, right? will there ever be?

in other words: vendor lock-in... there can be a variety of ways this can screw one over in production...

This sort of thing sounds like "vendor lock-in city", to be blunt, but that is a categorical criticism I level at this entire market niche of BEAAS

... and it will likely get stuck in all the narrow streets ancient European towns/cities are filled with... a Hummer is too wide to enter many villages

When will OEM's realize that forcing Windows on computer purchasers is less than ideal?

I don't mean to merely refer to this particular issue/non-issue. I refer to the entire industry pre-loading Microsoft Windows on every new computer as IF this were the desire of everyone in the world.

I'm not suggesting that there isn't a market for Windows, I'm suggesting that an industry-wide forced-Windows-ONLY world is bad for the market, bad for consumers, and probably bad for OEMs... If it's some shady Microsoft OEM contract FORCING this to be the case, let's see an example. Didn't anyone challenge it?

Why don't Dell or Lenovo sell 10-20% Linux laptop preloads? Surely one can understand that developers and plenty of other users require Linux not Windows, right?

Why are Linux preloads expensive and odd? Why are more OEMs not ALSO selling Linux preloads?

So annoying!

We need to first get past: 1) differing rail gauges 2) inability to buy international tickets from many (most?) national rail providers

Here in Portugal, the formerly national rail line "Comboio Portugal" was privatized and sold off to 1 (one) company. This was the stupidest possible thing we could have done. They promptly shutdown many interior (lower profit) lines and left many areas as transport-deserts, shifting even MORE traffic to our limited roads infrastructure (the entire eastern side of Coimbra just shut down afterwards as a result. It's still low-value real-estate for precisely the lack of transport. The famous Lousã line etc.) Nevermind that this monopolistic idiocy was repeated across telecom and other industries, focusing purely on railways, we have basically coastal coverage with some select lines through the interior (The once-a-day Alfa Pendular Lisboa-> Madrid line, for example)

Our railway decadence roughly mirrors the US rail decline, as cars clearly dominate the Iberian peninsula...

There are a whole slew of Stockholm Syndrome answers here that effectively repeat the precise point you make.

If it gets you the 6 figure salary, who cares about the corrosive bad practice remaining prevalent?