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Yea - that's right. Its this separation of concerns that I think will help people break through the confusion of building agents.

Show HN: LMM for LLMs – A mental model for building LLM apps

I've been building agentic apps for some large Fortune 500 companies (T-Mobile, Twilio, etc.) and developed a mental model that serves as a practical guide in building agentic apps: separate the high-level agent specific logic from low-level platform capabilities. I call it the L-MM: the Logical Mental Model for LLM applications.This mental model has not only been tremendously helpful in...

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Envoy is compatible with OTel out of the box. That's a big plus for observability. Plus Envoy is designed for high-load dataplane (in the request path worklaods) and used in every modern stack. There are several advantages on using Arch as the source of observability (traces, metrics, logs)
Arch moves the critical but crufty work around safety, observability, and routing of prompts outside business logic. Its a uniquely intelligent infrastructure primitive, engineered with purpose-built fast LLMs [3] for tasks like intent detection over multi-turn, parameter identification and extraction, triggering single/multiple function calls, and offers convenience features to auto dispatch LLM calls for summarization based on data from your APIs via system prompts configured in archgw.
Re:Show HN: Dumbo – Hono inspired framework for PHP on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @08:00PM (#42189790)
For a programming language mostly out of favor, the effort to get a framework right and find the right audience to use this over existing options will be tricky. Good luck!
Its a proxy - built on Envoy. I think its fairly clear that this is a separate process. As far as I can tell, you create a config file, boot up archgw, and in the config have it point to endpoints where prompts get forwarded.
Re:Show HN: Mapping with WhatsApp on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @07:49PM (#42189715)
Found it interesting (for the use case) - the work to export chat and then map is exactly that: work
With all the focus on language specific frameworks - this out of process architecture choice is an interesting one. On one hand, it helps you side step the "is this functionality available on js, java, etc" question, and on the other it means its not as easy as `import archgw` in python. Good luck though, feels like an interesting project