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I don't have anything to prove to you.

You are the toxicity I'm talking about. You've added zero value to the discussion. I've offered value.

You attack my account age and I've already said why it's not old.

Because idgaf.

I literally said I've been here longer than someone who has been here since 2013 so you attack my profile age.

This is the toxic destruction of hn I'm talking about.

You are the toxic one. You offer negative value.

Nah. Farther back in time and psychologically deeper. Its in my, very short, comment history.

They told their community their motivation was to combat the selfish monetization of digital sharecroppers and then they monetized their digital sharecroppers.

They are frauds and eventually frauds are exposed and they exposed themselves for $1.8billion.

And SO it collapsed.

But thanks for speaking for me. Albeit incorrectly, ironically.

Because you don't want to hear it, that's all. It's not toxic, it's idgaf.

I know because i click your username and see your email and website.

Click on my name you get nothing.

Yours is full of hope of someone reaching out to you. Mine is idgaf.

I don't need to defend the status quo. I don't want karma pOints.

I want integrity.

He and Jeff made it abundantly clear their mission was to destroy the sex change site because that site was immoral for monetizing the benevolence of the community who answered the questions.

"Knowledge should be free" they said. "You shouldn't make money off stuff like this," they said.

Plenty of links and backstory in my other comments.

Well I've been around here longer than you and i don't have a vested interest in the koolaid.

You think being on this site gives you cred. That's why you personally identify yourself. You likely have your hn profile link on your resume or website etc. Hoping maybe this place will lead to something for you.

Clearly we don't agree on that. I don't even bother to turn off secret mode for this tripe.

Thank you malfist for proving my point. Lol

No its legacy should be this is what happens when you betray your community because money is your god.

It doesn't have anything to do with LLMs. It has to do with shifting one's focus from doing good things to making money. Joel did that, and SO failed because of it.

Joel promised the answering community he wouldn't sell SO out from under them, but then he did.

And so the toxicity at the top trickled down into the community.

Those with integrity left the community and only toxic, selfcentered people remained to destroy what was left in effort to salvage what little there was left for themselves.

Mods didn't dupe questions to help the community. They did it to keep their own answers at the top on the rankings.

We don't "get small glimpses of that on HN"

We get exactly the same thing on hn, because it's the same people, the same culture, the same incentive structure, the same codified toxicity.

And the exact same thing is going to happen to hn. Already is. Already has, frankly.

It's just how sellout culture works. There's no integrity.[1]

SO failed because the founders had no integrity and HN is going to fail because the founders have no integrity.

Lacking integrity has short term benefits that sacrifice the long term.

From Good to great to failure.

Anyone else remwmber when Joel said he'd never sell SO and then this [1] happened? I remember.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/stack-overflow-sold-...

It goes even farther back to 2009 when Jeff sold out the benevolence incentive for self promotion to make money for himself thru SO.

https://blog.codinghorror.com/stack-overflow-careers-amplify... (be sure to read the comments)

The stated purpose of SO was that the expert sex change.com was making money off q&a and jeff and joel resented that.

And then the SO folks make their q&a site about making money.

No integrity. So the good people left and the toxic people stayed.

That's the root cause analysis.