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Now you're just pulling stuff out of thin air for arguments sake. Do you hate US that much?

If you're an American, let me ask you this, how are you making this country better?

If you're not an American, let me ask you this, would you prefer a representative democratic superpower or a communist/oligarch superpower?

please show me where US * is ruled by a secretive group of old men * produces pollution that threatens the entire world * uses the great firewall to attack tech companies in other countries like github * creates artificial military island near neighboring countries.

And every since Obama took over, our policies with human rights and dictators is much better

China has an authoritarian government that produces pollution that threatens the entire world, uses the great firewall to attack tech companies in other countries, prints up to 282% of GDP [1] in order to buy their way into other countries real estate and companies, ignores human rights and free speech, creates artificial military island near neighboring countries, and supports dictators in Russia and Africa. If China gets anymore powerful, the world is doomed. We need to curb commerce with China.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/11/c...

Please show me where US

1.) artifically keeps dead and poisonous factories alive to produce massive pollutions that harms other countries 2.) has a great firewall that inhibits free speech, and use it to attack other countries 3.) is a authoritarian government

China has an authoritarian government that produces pollution that threatens the entire world, uses the great firewall to attack tech companies in other countries, prints up to 282% of GDP [1] in order to buy their way into other countries real estate and companies, ignores human rights and free speech, and supports dictators in Russia and Africa. If China gets anymore powerful, the world is doomed. We need to curb commerce with China.

[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/11/c...

You can't be serious either; an authoritarian government is no way the same as a democracy. There are forced disapperances [1], outright censorship [2], state enrichment vs individuals [3], and on and on. US has courts and 3 separate branches of government and elections and debates. You can be cynical, sure, if the democracy isn't working well, but we still have a democracy. Do you honestly think a government controlled by a small secretive group of old men is better than elected government?

[1] https://news.vice.com/article/forced-disappearances-brutalit... [2] http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=4707107 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_State-owned_enterprise...

China has an authoritarian government that produces pollution that threatens the entire world, uses the great firewall to attack tech companies in other countries, prints up to 282% of GDP [1] in order to buy their way into other countries real estate and companies, ignores human rights and free speech, and supports dictators in Russia and Africa. If China gets anymore powerful, the world is doomed. We need to curb commerce with China.

[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/11/c...

China has an authoritarian government that produces pollution that threatens the entire world, uses the great firewall to attack tech companies in other countries, ignores human rights and free speech, and supports dictators in Russia and Africa. If China gets anymore powerful, the world is doomed. We need to curb commerce with China.

China has an authoritarian government that produces pollution that threatens the entire world, ignores human rights and free speech, and supports dictators in Russia and Africa. If China gets anymore powerful, the world is doomed. We need to curb commerce with China.

Some links:

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1234453/seven-subject...

"Mainland universities have been ordered to steer clear of seven topics in their teaching, including universal values, press freedom and civil rights, two university staff said, offering an insight into ideological control under the new Communist Party leaders."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/05/world/chinas-maoists-are-r...

"China’s Maoist ideologues are resurgent after languishing in the political desert, buoyed by President Xi Jinping’s traditionalist tilt and emboldened by internal party decrees that have declared open season on Chinese academics, artists and party cadres seen as insufficiently red."

China has an authoritarian government that produces pollution that threatens the entire world, ignores human rights and free speech, and supports dictators in Russia and Africa. We need to curb commerce with China.

If you old people would stop working and retire, the young people would have work to do. What's that? you didn't save anything after the best financial boom time in history? You have to work until you're 80? Well, then stop complaining.

In Defense of Silicon Valley

1. World class food. There is no way you can get the same quality of chinese,japanese,korean,indian,french,italian,californian,thai,vietnamese in Cleveland.

2. People creating things in coffeeshops on the weekends, instead of wasting life watching TV or drinking beer. You only get one life in this great country.

3. It's not ice freezing cold

4. It's not superficial (like LA), not money worshipping (like NY), not power hungry (like DC), not gun/football crazy (like Texas), not corrupt (like Florida)

5. Diversity

6. Tech, Venture networks

7. Silicon Valley people are great people. The entrepreneurs are supportive of each other, since they know how much pain it is to start a company. The people who take risks moving across country to here are brave and adaptive and optimistic. (instead of rotting away on a couch in midwest complaining about lack of jobs)

Maybe it's because engineers have a mentality of 'teardown' and 'rebuild'. Bankers and corporations infiltrated the US government? Teardown everything. Rebuild. Screw the women and children. Destroy America. We need to start from scratch.

What these people don't realize is you can change from within. We have elected government officials for a reason. Guess what? 85% of congress people are white and male (and many of them old). I'm gonna guess most of the bankers are white and male (and old). You want change? vote some women in. vote some minorities in. They're not part of the boy's network. They will take care of the disadvantaged.

US is the best country for a reason. We have a good system of representatives and freedoms of speech and protest. People on this board seem to love Russia and China. Guess what? Russia is ruled by a dictator, and China is ruled by a group of men. China's gdp per capita is $6000, with endless pollution. In Russia, entrepreneurs get jailed and poisoned and their companies get stolen away. You love those countries so much? go move there.

1.) Which US computer company has ties to US government? Literally owned by the government?

2.) How is US government authoritarian? Have you actually lived in a country that has no elected representative?

"Beijing-based computer maker Lenovo has reportedly been blacklisted for years by spy agencies worldwide, as concerns about government-sanctioned Chinese hacking persist. According to the Australian Financial Review, Australia, the UK, Canada, New Zealand, and the US have all rejected Lenovo machines for their top-secret networks since the mid-2000s, though the computers can be used for lower-security tasks that don't involve sensitive information" [1]

Why buy a laptop from a company that has ties to the Chinese government [2], an authoritarian government that supports dictators in Africa and totalitarian government in Russia, oppressing women and children in those countries?

[1] http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/30/4570780/lenovo-reportedly-... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo

No disrespect, but India has horrible infrastructure, horrible treatment of women (rape, disregards from police on harassment cases), and other horrible things.

I hope this is the start of US bringing manufacturing back to the States. There needs to be a hardware alley in silicon valley, much like the hardware alley in Shenzhen. For one thing, China is still a communist government that is authoritarian and ignores environmental pollutions (to the world). It also ignores human rights, supports dictators in Africa, and props up totalitarian government in Russia. These are good reasons to not do business with China.

I hope this is the start of US bringing manufacturing back to the States. There needs to be a hardware alley in silicon valley, much like the hardware alley in Shenzhen. For one thing, China is still a communist government that is authoritarian and ignores environmental pollutions (to the world). It also ignores human rights, supports dictators in Africa, and props up totalitarian government in Russia. These are good reasons to not do business with China.

Downmodded without a substantial comment; privacy working at its best!

Bad premises

"In societies where there is mass surveillance, it’s harder for people to think, learn, and explore. "

US, England, France, Germany, Sweden have mass surveillance. All leaders in progress, innovations, and exploration.

Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam, Brazil, Argentina, Greece, Iraq, .....you get the idea. They don't.

"Privacy is important not only for students and academics, but also for journalists, lawyers, activists, doctors, entrepreneurs -- anyone who wants to think and act freely without worrying about who is watching them and why."

In this country, we have freedom of press. Much more important than privacy. Surveillance doesn't prevent you from acting freely. Living in an authoritorian country does. So you can't curse out the president and hold protests.

"Additionally, privacy helps ensure that everyone in our society is treated fairly, no matter their religion, sexuality, race, or other traits."

What? Huh?

Two observations:

1) Since China effectively blocked most of Google's services (and uses Google's mobile operating system for free and makes a ton of money off it - look at Xiaomi), Isn't it basically that China was able to rob Google, and doesn't suffer any consequences from it?

2) Also most US websites are blocked in China (Google, Facebook, Dropbox, Youtube, Twitter, Wikipedia, NYTimes, the list goes on and on...) Why is it that the US government doesn't take any action against that, where as China is freely dumping cheap manufactured products that are made in factories that violate human rights?

I took 2 uber rides this morning; I just uninstalled Uber and installed Lyft. They have the same amount of cars down in here in San Jose.

Looks like this YC company burned through 1.8M from Andressen Horowitz, and all of the original founders have left the company to work somewhere else. Sadly, no acqui-hire this time.

I brought up dana roasting and red rock cafe not because they only have great coffee, but also they have a great atmosphere with lively discussions amongst thinkers and live music to boot. No coffeeshops in san francisco has that great combination.

which 2 indian places do you consider to be better?

would love your list then :)

The best indian restaurant in bay area is Sakoon, on castro in MV, try the lunch buffet and kerala fish curry

The best japanese sushi in bay area is Hoshi in santa clara, try the toro.

The best vietnamese homestyle in bay area is Tofoo Com Chay in downtown san jose, try the vegetarian bamboo soup noodle

The best cheap michelin french in bay area is at Chez TJ, in downtown MV.

The best burmese restaurant in bay area is Rangoon Cafe in palo alto.

The best chinese hot pot in bay area is wuji hot pot in milpitas

The best indonesian restaurant in bay area is bay leaf in sunnyvale. try nasi bungkus

The best korean bbq in bay area is gooyi gooyi in santa clara CA

The best independent coffeeshops in bay area are in MV (dana street, red rock)

The best steakhouse in bay area is alexander steakhouse in cupertino