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OMG thanks so so much! This is a super rich list! Thanks so much again!

Agreed totally on getting a contract done. Lawyer maybe necessary, but for now, we're explicity writing down scenarios and possibilities, who owns what, what happens if I get fired etc.

Agreed on finding a common thread amongst the people we help. The goal is to convert the learnings we have into a product, then sell this product to everyone else.

Ye - it seems like it won't work out for us oh well.

Oh well! It feels like the partnership / relationship is very one sided.

Ye I did share some of the code - it's not fully functioning yet. I have now unshared the stuff temporarily until we lock in a contract.

PS to everyone - thanks to everyone here! Someone asked me for help today, and following a plethora of suggestions, I SUCCESSFULLY asked them for payment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel so accomplished!! I started asking THEM questions about their project, what they wanted. I then asked them about their budget, their proposed use case of whatever software they're building, and crept in talks on compenstation etc - ie I mentioned how I had my own startup, and I can't help too much etc.

They're offering a reasonable 15% equity in their venture + wages!!!! As suggested by people here, I'm gonna get this all in writing, do nothing on the job until its written, and add clauses on late payments, etc!

I couldn't respond to everyone here - but I wanna say - THANK YOU! Big THANKS!! I think I grew the most today in like 2 years :))))))

I guess I just wanted to thank the people who replied :)) But I do agree I have issues - as you said I've replied yes yes yes I'll try oh well :(

Ye I do know I'm extremely agreeable. I did watch Peterson's video on training to be more disagreeable.

Yikes I guess thats one approach lolL!!

Oh mm never actually considered this!

PS thanks so much to everyone here! I'm the type to respond to everyone's replies so apologies if I didn't - again thanks so much for all the wonderful help!

Yee!! I have some "good" friends who truly value the stuff I've helped them with so I'm grateful to them!!

Hope you're still friends with the motorspots guy :) He sounds like a good guy :)

Oh hey I watch his Youtube vids!!

Oh yes good point on the reciprocity points!!!

YESS! I'll deflect next time as well!! Hmmm the issue though is sometimes even I don't know who to ask. Most of my helps are like for software coding stuff

OOOO ok ok I'll try asking upfront.

The issue is when more complex stuff comes along - like say they wanted me to edit their company codebase etc.

Yee I need to learn to refuse :( Oh well learning for me :(

Thanks!!!!!!!! Yee I don't wanna change myself too much - I just can't bring myself to doing it - but I'm trying!!!!

But ye will consider more expert help as well :)))

Thanks will do!! I'll keep people posted!!!

THanks!!!!!!!! Yeee I love helping people - I like the suggestion on charging for profits - I definitely need to try that out next time :))

I'll probably write up a contract with explicit mentions of profits.

On mentoring - ye I have some nice friends and company founders - they're nice, but I just can't seem to synthesise myself to be better, so hence I'm asking on HN

I agree on filtering people out. Most I try to teach, but really just want the end product, and that's not nice.

I'll try next time on filtering thanks!

Thanks :)) Yee definitely will seek some help :)))

True I'll consider therapy :)) Nah definitely the latter - my parents and siblings keep telling me about my situations since it happened already like 20 times.

Yee I won't burn bridges :)) I still act normally around them :))

Ye parents maybe? Nahh doubt it. My siblings are like totally opposite to me.

True - I need to take take a good hard look at my life.

Oh thanks!!!!!!

True I agree since I didn't charge, they don't value it oh well :((

I like the asking them more Qs point! I'm gonna try this next time!!!!! I'll keep my mouth tight lipped on solutions (if I can!!!)

Ok ok agreed on the statement of work thingo - i have some dumb contracts but seems like I might have to include more specific expectations and stuff

I'll defs watch them!! Thanks!!

Hmm I just need to learn to be "smooth" in the transition from project chatting to talking about fees

Hmmm I was thinking of maybe "So, do you currently have a budget?" then chat away

Yee wwas thinking about monthyl recurring models not sure yet though how I can "lock them in" the issue is I can't "delete" the code :(

Oh nahhh thats fine - I do the basic things for free.

But I get asked complex things eg: 1. make this algorithm in my code more efficient and faster 2. build an entire artificial intelligence solution for their own startup

I LIKE that as well!!! Essetially turn the question on its head and ask them instead!!! I'll have to make it not sound sarcastic though.

Ye I'll factor in travel next time

loll!!

Agreed on payment structures - I'll get it setup ASAP as an easy doc.