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Re:Ask HN: How do you measure eng team productivity?
on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:09AM (#36941420)
Well, productivity measures how fast you deliver new value. Fixing a bug is about repairing value that you thought you had delivered but actually did not. Counting bugs as "value" would be double counting.
Re:Ask HN: How do you measure eng team productivity?
on Monday July 31, 2023 @08:07AM (#36941411)
Interesting to note that two of your decision points are on "shipping product improvements at a regular cadence" or "shipping so slow that it's negatively impacting customers". Both relate to a productivity discussion, ie "how to define what it means to 'ship' as an engineering team". In that sense, we're aligned on why it's important to measure productivity.
It would however be a mistake to try to optimize for maximum productivity in a vacuum, but note that this is not what this thread is about. This thread is about the unit of measurement that people use in their teams. In that sense it's purely a research / curiosity question
Re:Ask HN: How do you measure eng team productivity?
on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:19AM (#36940646)
That’s very interesting, what is the score based on?
Re:Ask HN: How do you measure eng team productivity?
on Monday July 31, 2023 @06:17AM (#36940640)
I agree 100%, you need to have a strong product foundation to turn good output into good business outcome. A productive team that delivers features no one wants is pointless. Both go hand in hand, but as far as engineering management goes, it is still a challenge to find a good productivity metric. What’s used in your organization @przeor and what do you think of it?
Ask HN: How do you measure eng team productivity?
I’m finding very little resource on this topic. However, it is paramount to follow it as a team grows or a company grows - I’ve known many companies whose developers effectively stopped developing anything of value, being burdened by bugs, bureaucracy, or poor relationships. To be precise, productivity is the measure of outputs over inputs. In the engineering world, outputs are usually value...
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Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @09:08AM (#33773783)
Your comment got me curious, so I've just asked one of the best developers at Google. If you want to tag along and make some noise: https://twitter.com/FlavianHautbois/status/15972300521436733... (he has not replied yet)
[FYI, I sent this comment to another thread as well]
Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @09:06AM (#33773767)
I'm actually curious about this, so I've just asked one of the best developers at Google. If you want to tag along and make some noise: https://twitter.com/FlavianHautbois/status/15972300521436733...
(he has not replied yet)
Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @08:58AM (#33773699)
Don't get me wrong, pairing has merits. Let me give you an example. I'm in the middle of going through type challenges in Typescript (https://github.com/type-challenges/type-challenges). If I knew absolutely nothing about types, pair-programming would have helped me get started. But some of these challenges teach me important insights about the Typescript typing system that take time to wrap my head around. You don't get this amount of system 2 focus when pair programming because pair programming is (to a large amount) communication.
Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @08:52AM (#33773635)
1. Yes, that's the point. 10x doesn't say "compared to what", but hints at "compared to now"
2. For sure. My 3 former companies let people spike while working, and I've seen mediocre engineers (lots of bugs, rework) become ok (barely any rework, a few bugs from time to time)
Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @08:50AM (#33773613)
Being independent or in a co-op, what would be your training system?
Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @08:48AM (#33773597)
It looks like your company is ticking a lot of boxes, they're a keeper for sure. Would you share their name?
Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @08:46AM (#33773567)
This. I genuinely think this is one of the best comments in this thread!
Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @08:45AM (#33773551)
You're right in a way, but you're missing the "10x compared to what?". Consider the 1x baseline as being the median productivity of your development team (which is definitely hard to approximate, but for the sake of the exercise let's take 'value-added tickets per developer' [which excludes bugs/rework]). Then the goal is to do 10x on this median in a reasonable amount of time. Rince and repeat.
Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @06:48AM (#33772447)
I assume some of the skills you're trained on are technical too. Your organization sounds like it does a lot to develop engineers, do you think it's paying off regarding competition or other tech companies?
Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @05:22AM (#33771831)
I found it to be very challenging to deep-dive into harder subjects when doing pairing
Re:Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better develop...
on Monday November 28, 2022 @05:20AM (#33771817)
Most don’t, I’m wondering if they should.
Ask HN: How is your company training you to become a better developer/engineer?
I’m interested in how companies create 10x engineers. To deepen the discussion, you can cover for example: - What skills - Training frequency - How is your next set of skills decided? Is it personalized? Are you involved in the discussion? - What are the biggest obstacles to your training?