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A decision has to be made from the top about what HN is all about. If it's startups and business then that's the only type of story allowed. Everything else gets dumped. I don't need another Reddit.

Mods would need strict guidelines about what qualifies and everything even slightly outside of these guidelines gets turfed.

oh and get rid of karma. It's bs. Encourages hivemind like nothing else.

I think what confuses the issue for many people, myself included, is that other frameworks(Sencha) are trying to recreate a pixel perfect iOS/Andriod UI/experience in HTML.

I get your point though... 1 click deployment to multiple devices is a great feature.

I have to wonder what the point of mimicking native UI is.

I've just started learning Obj-C and iPhone dev and getting ones head around basic UI functionality is at most 2-3 days worth of playing around. Is is really worth sacrificing native performance and consistency for such marginal gain?

um... what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNi17YLnZpg (volvo crash avoidance failure)

to shake people's confidence in these systems.

I don't use GA so can't comment on feature parity. Importantly (for me) it has a powerful API, plugin architecture, easy integration, dead easy multi-site configuration.

I can't speak highly enough of this product.

I wrote my own svg image editor, but this is really slick - and the code is a lot cleaner than mine :)

One of the contributors also wrote canvg: http://code.google.com/p/canvg/

which implements the svg spec in canvas allowing SVG->Canvas->JPG/PNG

why does this sort of self evident junk get the front page?

Now when can I use it with assurance that I can target every browser and the 90%+ of my visitors will be able to see it?

I love web standards, I want them to win, but we're just at the start of this race and web standards have a loooong way to go.

Right now if you want cross browser 3D, video or animation then Flash is the way to go. But in 10 years time when all major browsers have consistent implementations of <video>, canvas, <audio>, webGL etc, etc then, sure use an alternative ;)

I love web standards but they move at glacial speeds, and user adoption is even slower.

I've been developing with it for a couple of years and am quite happy with performance. Of course its going to be sluggish if you're targeting ie6 or something since the DOM the framework creates is HUGE.

Would be nice if they ditched support for ie6 which would probably help a lot with DOM bloat.

'In short, the first mover advantage is a crock of shit'

So many people are scratching their heads trying to invent something new. Don't. Pick a market - the bigger the better and out-execute in some key area, be that design, usability, marketing etc.

I'm looking at them on XP and they look stunning in all browsers.

It's not a bulletproof system. I tried looking at the sample page at work where we have a restrictive proxy filter and it was a no-go.

hehe sounds a bit defensive to me ;)