dobbysfirstsock

>Also the poverty line is a moving target. People with streaming TV and video game consoles are technically in poverty in the US

Yea, this is a tricky one. Is there something below poverty? Googling it says the poverty line is $35,801 for a family. I have relatives in a foreign country that would die for $35k (even all things relative). They have a TV but that's about it. No streaming, no reliable cell phones, etc. All through college and even a bit before, I would have lived in what was considered poverty... but to say "I lived in poverty" just sounds silly.

>I agree with you somewhat that there is some personal responsibility required here, but I disagree that the answer here is so simple as going to sleep earlier.

I think this is where I'm at. I know its entirely possible to sleep earlier with lifestyle changes. I spent a summer at my grandparents with no wifi, tech etc and going outside to play, I was so bored but damn if that wasn't the best sleep I ever had in my life, lol... and early too, never more than 10 PM.

I'm just worried if we start later and later, it could keep creeping up until you have no reasonable time left to start later. I suppose experimenting with it couldn't hurt though.

I 100% agree. I'm unfortunately not an expert in the field but over the years I've seen "studies" that are very flawed or impossible to replicate. I'm all for some experiments for those willing... perhaps it would overall increase the amount of sleep students get... but for some I feel it would completely wreck their schedules.

This is anecdotal but when I went to live with my grandparents for a summer, I hated every minute of it. They lived on a farm with no wifi. By the last week or two though, I realized I sorta enjoyed it. I was out like a light by 10 pm every day. I was getting more exercise etc. I had no reliable reason to stay up past 10 pm and my body seemed to adjust to what felt natural.

As an adult, I can say that if school started later, I would have just stayed up later. There was even a time in college that I would stay up till 4-5 am. Sometimes you would know a snow day the night before and I would tell my friends on the west coast that I could stay up even later. It was awful but I couldn't see it at the time. It took me years to fix. I now sleep around 1 AM which I still wish I could sleep earlier but I'll take it.

Well, seems there's more people wanting to write than demand.

I've actually noticed how _bad_ the writing of some articles can be. I'm not a good writer by any means... but the best I can say is it sounds like an essay cranked out by someone in high school.

Just reminded me of my first "wtf." A journalist for our local university wrote a review for the movie "Hustlers" where they justified sexually assaulting and robbing men in New York because "men in New York were responsible for the 2008 financial crisis." All without missing a beat. Can't believe what passes these days.

For sure. I just can't get over how I know full well that I'll feel better, yet in the moment its like "meh don't wanna go"

Yep. I will say though, its always possible, barring any sort of medical reasons, to get disciplined.

I've had months where I go to the gym and then something happens and its easy to not go. There's nothing on this earth stopping me from picking that back up, other than myself... which reminds me, I need to start going again. Crazy thing is you _know_ you'll feel better but getting up and going can be a drag sometimes.