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I’ve always wondered about linear scan vs SSA based spilling & regalloc, like libfirm & qbe use:
‘Register spilling and live-range splitting for SSA-form programs’ and ‘Preference-Guided Register Assignment’
It’s much cleaner to code, since you don’t need to generate live ranges explicitly, and can break it up in two passes. Linear scan creates new inactive /active intervals, while the ssa form allocators just reuse the ssa graph. I’ve never benchmarked them back to back though.
> We wanted to check out the infamous Infinite Loop too, but were afraid it could take a long time.
Haha! Nerd jokes are the best jokes
It's quite impressive they're able to take nearly arbitrary C and do this! Very similar to what pypy is doing here, but for C, and not a python subset.
However not without downsides. It sounds like average code is only 2x faster than Lua, vs. LuaJit which is often 5-10x faster.
Absolutely. Things that took hours or days to debug before take mere minutes once I have an rr recording.
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djwatson24 on Sunday October 19, 2025 @10:45AM
from the crumbles.blog dept.
Tail calling (with musttail)+ preserve_none are definitely the future of interpreters. Gets you ~95% of the performance of writing the vm in assembly, while keeping it high level. Unfortunately only clang and llvm support it so far, but hopefully we get some other llvm backend langs in soon!
Marc feeley wrote “using closures for code generation” way back in 1987. Everything old is new again!
It’s quite nice and only a small bit more code than an ast interpreter - but not as fast as a luajit- style tail calling bytecode vm, nor a baseline jit like copy and patch. It works wonders in languages that support closures though.
https://www-labs.iro.umontreal.ca/~feeley/papers/FeeleyLapal...
Can you go in to more detail on 'wacky register allocation tricks' or instruction selection needed to support nun-tagging? Or pointers to code somewhere? Would be nice to compare some of them to the paper.
Deegen is my research meta-compiler to make high-performance VMs easier to write. Deegen takes in a semantic description of the VM bytecodes in C++, and use it as the single source of truth to automatically generate a high-performance VM at build time
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djwatson24 on Friday May 12, 2023 @07:27PM
from the sillycross.github.io dept.
This is great, thanks! Fyi I think you have the numbers for the years reversed
> and that relies on having sufficient test and fuzz coverage
At the faang I worked at, some small portion of servers ran the sanitizers in prod, so you’re not reliant on test coverage nearly so much for catching rare issues.
Binary trees is a classic GC benchmark - ideally a GC'd language should be able to do
better than a malloc/free implementation in C (tree.c) since it can release the whole tree in bulk (like what the ptree.c does).
Also note that tree.c speeds up substantially if you link with a better malloc like jemalloc or tcmalloc.
I agree the optimization looks backwards to me - in most of the microcontrollers I work on, the flash program space can easily be multiple megabytes, but the ram is usually the limiter around 128-512k.
D has three fully functional compilers on Linux, and is probably in better shape than python, rust, even c++ in that regard.
I don’t think const or non const is the main issue- some data structures just require cycles like graphs or circular linked lists.
Unless I am misreading their graph, Java beats neither c++ nor koka in time or rss.
Cool to see explicit annotations for how to make rc fast when you have access to the ir. But doesn’t solve some major issues, like cycle collection:
“ In practice, mutable references are the main way to con- struct cyclic data. Since mutable references are uncommon in our setting, we leave the responsibility to the programmer to break cycles by explicitly clearing a reference cell that may be part of a cycle. ”
I think what happened is that feature landed concurrently with the paper - a very early version is mentioned as reference [7].
Netflix also published several papers on their version for openbsd, which I didn't see mentioned.
IIRC TLS renegotiation was removed in TLS 1.3
This version still has to tick, yes? The whole point of optimizing ticks-until-next-event is to support nohz tickless modes. "Optimizing for high occupancy" also means low granularity - since the more granular timeouts you need, the more likely buckets are to be empty.
After thrift became an Apache project, internal Facebook employees found it harder to iterate using external tools than our internal github repos. Many of the changes depended on things that weren’t open source, or only recently became open source in folly. We do hope to merge as many changes as possible back upstream, but felt it was more important to get the code open source as quickly as possible. In addition, fbthrift is a dependency for several other projects Facebook wants to open source in the near future.