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You realize Bitcoin/Ethereum are simply computer software right?

And you missed the essential caveat; aprox 4.11% of Bitcoin addresses control 96.53% of all BTC in circulation. This is a conservative estimate, as anyone familiar with how Bitcoin addresses and wallets work, would know one user is likely controlling many addresses.

A perfect example of this, is a few days ago 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a created a script to subdivide 111,114 BTC into several hundred addresses, from 60,000 / 30,000 / 20,000 / 10,000 / 5,000 / 500 and then to 100 BTC accounts, over the course of a few hours. [2] Following the movement here now leads to recent deposits into the Binance and Bitfinex wallets.

And most importantly, on the computer science behind Ethereum - In any DLT network with an adversarial threat model it's impossible to create a smart contract with any functionality relying on external data inputs (betting on the outcome of a sports game, or tracking any real world data input) within the network as there's no way to validate the authenticity of that data unless a trusted 3rd party is designated, at which point the network becomes useless. Not even to mention the question of why anyone would want to use a token with such wildly fluctuating market price, and who's supply is controlled by a small userbase of oligarchs.

Additionally, the entire cryptocoin market has an Achilles' heel.. Tether, and Bitfinex are widely suspected of counterfeiting aprox $4,000,000,000 USD (by producing USDT for free anytime they want) [3] [4] [5]

[1] https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/cboebzx/2018/34-83520.pdf

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9bfnff/near_1b_are...

[3] https://medium.com/@bitfinexed/latest

[4] https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/tether-aug

[5] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-24/not-even-...

  Mining pools form due to the transaction costs of decentralization.
Better explained as a result of the mining protocol being winner takes all, and is granted write access authority (for guessing a increasingly larger random number), that by pooling everyone's lottery tickets together and paying the pool operator, the agree to take a small sum of each successful guess from the pool (assuming the pool fairly pays out participants).

"decentralized" except not.

Technically the Ethereum network is majority owned by Vitalik Buterin and the folks who payed 0.50 USD (likely much less, if paid in BTC mined earlier).

72,009,99 of the 101,684,297 Ether means the Ethereum network has a worse Gini coefficient than North Korea or really any Fiat based economy.

See also: "Quantifying decentralization"

https://news.earn.com/quantifying-decentralization-e39db233c...

To quote a prior Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle on the floor of the Senate:

"How long would it be before you saw traders investing in a way that would bring about the desired result?"

As in, if one found a way to bet against your car remaining in tact and realized sabotaging your car was cost effective to manipulate their bet, then they reap the market pay out. Is this good?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office#F...

It looks like Augur has no way to validate the "REP holders" though?

This means a sybil attack can be launched by anyone behind the Augur project (assuming they set aside large reserves of REP for themselves, how would anyone know?), or anyone who acquired thousands of ETH in the presale for $0.50USD, or anyone with excessive capital can attack any Augur "prediction" and manipulate the outcome in their favor.

Augur essentially gives total power to manipulate "truth" though tokens / capital.

(edit, downvoting to suppress information? please explain why this post is wrong)

Re:The Byzantine Generals Problem (1982) [pdf] on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @05:17AM (#17704929)
Worth mentioning, Bitcoin and Satoshi style Proof-of-Work doesn't actually solve the Byzantine General's Problem, it merely creates a lottery system that allows anyone with a large amount of excess capital to take control of adding entries to the database.
There's no point in doing that, because if you can do that you can do $$ <--> $$
Re:Coinbase Custody is exploring a range of new assets on Saturday August 04, 2018 @12:22AM (#17685371)
https://www.stellar.org/blog/bitcoin-claim-lumens-2/

https://www.stellar.org/about/mandate/

  Lumen Distribution
>At the genesis of the Stellar Network, 100 billion lumens (XLM) were created as specified in the protocol. As part of its custodial mandate, SDF is entrusted to oversee that the vast majority, 95 billion, of the lumens are distributed to the world.

>SDF manages the execution of lumen distribution, with oversight and direction provided by SDF’s Expansion Board. The initial lumens held by SDF are required to be distributed to the world in the following manner:

    50% for distribution via the Direct Sign-up Program
    25% for distribution via the Partnership Program
    20% for distribution via the Bitcoin Program
    5% held by SDF to support operational costs


Funny part of the protocol is that the voting power goes to the rich, and they just vote themselves all the new money that's generated:

>The Stellar Network has a built-in, fixed, nominal inflation mechanism. New lumens are added to the network at the rate of 1% each year. Each week, the protocol distributes these lumens to any account that gets over .05% of the “votes” from other accounts in the network.

The cryptocoin community has an established Modus operandi.

Write a piece of software that generates a supply of database tokens, and write the rules in such a way that they gain majority ownership and distribute a large portion of the supply to a few early "whales". These early users then act in every way they can to spread promotional promises and propaganda to the public in an attempt to convince people they too can become an oligarch of this token system that will surely be the future (as they sell their tokens for fiat) and all they need to do is "hodl" the supply and wait of course.

Re:Coinbase Custody is exploring a range of new assets on Friday August 03, 2018 @06:31PM (#17684148)
XLM was "premined" (instantly generated for free) and distributed to the established "wealthy" userbase in an effort to get them to tell outsiders to buy in.

It's like some evolution of Multi-Level-Marketing meets penny stock.

Re:Handshake: An experimental peer-to-peer root DNS on Thursday August 02, 2018 @05:42PM (#17675711)
what happens when one of these large mining operations in China/South pacific/etc target this network and begin accumulating all the handshake "coins".

How would someone 3 years from now have access to generate coins/tokens after the protocol increases the difficulty and stops generating coins so easily?

Wouldn't it be cheaper just to run a normal DNS server? What's the use case?

Re:Handshake: An experimental peer-to-peer root DNS on Thursday August 02, 2018 @05:31PM (#17675647)
Why is a Proof-of-Waste blockchain necessary for this?

We already have https://www.eff.org/observatory, and anyone can run a DNS server for free.

Re:Handshake: An experimental peer-to-peer root DNS on Thursday August 02, 2018 @05:29PM (#17675633)
It looks like the dev team has already anticipated a SHA3 based ASIC design as a threat to monopolize control over the Handshake protocol.

Guessing an insider on is hoping to exploit this for financial gain and control of this isolated DNS pool.

and why would users want to participate in a protocol which inherently relinquishes centralized accountability and responsibility, in favor of a security model that allows any of these mining warehouse operations run by anonymous robber barrons with enough excess capital to fill up an entire building with random number generating electricity wasting heaters?

Who thinks this is seriously a good idea for anything other then exploiting greater fools to sell digital beanie babies to?

Re:Coinbase and the Widespread Adoption of Cryptocurrency on Wednesday August 01, 2018 @05:10PM (#17667023)
Ah yes, like how Coinbase told its investors that Bitcoin is great for money laundering and bypassing sanctions?

  Immune to country-
  specific sanctions 
  (e.g. Russia-Visa)
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/COINBASE-IN...
Re:Would a p2p internet system work in a ancap society on Tuesday July 31, 2018 @11:04PM (#17659327)
Why would anyone pay (..with software tokens) for your system when they can use the existing internet, Bittorrent, Freenet, TOR, and so on for free?

If you want an example of an ancap society visit Somalia and read the book "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

Thank you for replying dang.

Transparency in moderation here at HN is immensely appreciated and respected.

Re:Winklevoss Twins Bitcoin ETF Rejected by SEC on Friday July 27, 2018 @06:32PM (#17629989)
>It's unclear what amount of correlation - if any at all - exists between miner control..

Manipulation of arbitrage and suppression/prioritization of transactions.

This was demonstrated in an attack on the Ethereum network by the mining pool F2Pool, where a timed smart contract was manipulated by the mining pool to prioritize its own transaction and ignore other users transactions.

Re:Winklevoss Twins Bitcoin ETF Rejected by SEC on Thursday July 26, 2018 @08:50PM (#17622639)
Are you suggesting that manipulation is okay, if it has historically happened in a regulated market?
Re:Winklevoss Twins Bitcoin ETF Rejected by SEC on Thursday July 26, 2018 @08:46PM (#17622623)
>"For example, trading in bitcoin is electronic, which facilitates competition and price transparency."

One of the main reasons this ETF was rejected is because many of the major exchanges like Bitfinex, BitMEX, Binance, and Kraken are alleged to be manipulators of spot price though wash trading, and front running their customers.

>"[23] Bitcoin are interchangeable, so that a purchaser is sure to get exactly the same thing no matter where she purchases it."

This is no longer true. Bitcoin transactions that have history tied to stolen funds, and illegal black market transactions will get your exchange account frozen and bank account flagged. ( see BTCe caught laundering MTGox funds https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/27/russian-c... )

>[24] In addition, bitcoin mining is not geographically limited (except to the extent it migrates to places with cheap electricity), so it is not subject to geopolitical threats that plague other commodity markets.

This is a naive and incorrect risk assessment. Any large ISP is in a position to interfere, suppress, and drop traffic. Chinese based Bitmain, the largest BTC ASIC mining manufacture and the top known mining pools based in China are currently controlling over 40% of network block activity.

Re:Coinbase lets you convert your tokens into gift cards on Thursday July 26, 2018 @04:14PM (#17620562)
If you're suggesting cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin or Ethereum would replace fiat, then I have a new cryptocurrency to sell you.

Ask HN: Do HN Mods censor stories unfavorable to their “investments”?

i.e. recent news about the Ethereum based Augur prediction markets being used to place bets that would incentivize murder and terrorism have been removed from the front page. Similar articles are quickly being removed, normally a mod will comment with a link to another submission that was submitted.

( Read More... | 4 comments | 4 points | on HN )
I'll assume this is flagged because it's not favorable to broadcast this feature to the public, and "investors" aka HODLers here at Hackernews would want to hide this event.
>Ethereum is PROGRAMMABLE MONEY

What if someone just programs more programmable money?

Also why would anyone want to use a system where over 71% of all money is owned by a small group of anonymous oligarchs?

  Presale ICO / Premine ( max cost $0.50 USD per ETH  )
  = 72,009,990 ETH
  
  Total Supply today (Jul 19th 2018)
   = 100,773,797 ETH

  Source:
  https://etherscan.io/stat/supply

Not to mention, Ethereum and DAPPs can't validate any interesting external data without relying on centralized trusted data sources - at which point it becomes cheaper, more efficient, practical and legally accountable to just set up a normal database app.
>I’m surprised that any US exchange is allowed to list coins like Bitcoin Cash

It's ironic you would single out Bitcoin Cash as an attempt by the software devs to defraud people.

Take a look at how Ethereum, Bitcoin Core, or any of the top 10, 50, or really any cryptocoin, DAG, or blockchain inspired project works in regards to defrauding new users by extracting their wealth to enrich the early adopters.

The very nature of Satoshi's Proof-of-Work protocol is to establish a new oligarchy which exploits anyone without access to surplus capital that can be wasted on expensive random number generators for the mining protocol.

  One important point: if we actually include all 7 billion 
  people on the earth, most of whom have zero BTC or 
  Ethereum, the Gini coefficient is essentially 0.99+. And  
  if we just include all balances, we include many dust 
  balances which would again put the Gini coefficient at 
  0.99+. Thus, we need some kind of threshold here. The 
  imperfect threshold we picked was the Gini coefficient 
  among accounts with ≥185 BTC per address, and ≥2477 ETH 
  per address. So this is the distribution of ownership 
  among the Bitcoin and Ethereum rich with $500k as of July 
  2017.


  In what kind of situation would a thresholded metric like 
  this be interesting? Perhaps in a scenario similar to the 
  ongoing IRS Coinbase issue, where the IRS is seeking 
  information on all holders with balances >$20,000. 
  Conceptualized in terms of an attack, a high Gini 
  coefficient would mean that a government would only need 
  to round up a few large holders in order to acquire a 
  large percentage of outstanding cryptocurrency — and with 
  it the ability to tank the price.

  With that said, two points. First, while one would not 
  want a Gini coefficient of exactly 1.0 for BTC or ETH (as 
  then only one person would have all of the digital 
  currency, and no one would have an incentive to help boost 
  the network), in practice it appears that a very high 
  level of wealth centralization is still compatible with 
  the operation of a decentralized protocol. Second, as we 
  show below, we think the Nakamoto coefficient is a better 
  metric than the Gini coefficient for measuring holder 
  concentration in particular as it obviates the issue of 
  arbitrarily choosing a threshold.


  ...However, the maximum Gini coefficient has one obvious 
  issue: while a high value tracks with our intuitive notion 
  of a “more centralized” system, the fact that each Gini 
  coefficient is restricted to a 0–1 scale means that it 
  does not directly measure the number of individuals or 
  entities required to compromise a system.


  Specifically, for a given blockchain suppose you have a 
  subsystem of exchanges with 1000 actors with a Gini 
  coefficient of 0.8, and another subsystem of 10 miners 
  with a Gini coefficient of 0.7. It may turn out that 
  compromising only 3 miners rather than 57 exchanges may be 
  sufficient to compromise this system, which would mean the 
  maximum Gini coefficient would have pointed to exchanges 
  rather than miners as the decentralization bottleneck.


  Conversely, if one considers “number of distinct countries 
  with substantial mining capacity” an essential subsystem, 
  then the minimum Nakamoto coefficient for Bitcoin would 
  again be 1, as the compromise of China (in the sense of a 
  Chinese government crackdown on mining) would result in 
  >51% of mining being compromised.
also who would want to use Ethereum when 2/3's of the entire supply is owned by a few dozen anonymous oligarchs?

  Presale ICO / Premine ( max cost $0.50 USD per ETH  )
  = 72,009,990 ETH
  
  Total Supply today (Feb 23rd 2018)
   = 97,800,000 ETH

  Source:
  https://etherscan.io/stat/supply