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People are being detained & tortured because they've been recognised on footage of public demonstrations.

Looking at China it's pretty clear how having a model of peoples face with facial recognition has been key for their total control of the population

The pictures are not what matter, what matters is the "face features <-> data" association.

The harm ? With that data, any camera in the world pointed at you can find what you did in that store.

"Merchants should be able to hire humans that sit around looking at camera screens all day trying to find shopping patterns, shoplifters, etc."

There is no identification part in what you describe. Generic stats (how many person in the queue, etc.) are okay.

The issue is not facial detection but facial recognition.

They stored model of faces associated with data which mean they could point a camera at anyone in the street anywhere in the world and find back what is the data associated with that person.

Hiring humans would not result in creating and storing models of faces

This "_you should not have any expectations of privacy in public_" argument dates back when there was no facial recognition.

The idea was people can see you in the street, maybe exceptionally a wierdo would take a photo of you but nobody could find your identity back from that photo. In case of a crime in the street the police could exceptionally access surveillance cameras to investigate. That's it.

This is what "no privacy in public" meant in 2000/2010, and I was totally fine with that. I was totally pro video surveillance at that time .

Now we're in 2020 and facial recognition is happening. Everything changes.

Today, taking the picture of someone = taking biometric data like fingerprint or DNA. This allows you to have a total control over that person. Law were made at a time when a cameras were not such devastating weapons.

Everywhere you go, everything you eat, each item in the store you look at, each person you look at, heartbeat & stress level, which house you're at, who are you talking to, what did you bought, when, with who, what ads did you watch in the street, which part if the ads, with which emotion, we can find your identity, social posts, private data, health data, intimate message, browsing history, emotions, stress level, etc just by pointing a camera at you because of facial recognition. All this is anaylzed, sold and stored forever.

We're getting in a dystopia the worst case-scenario dystopic sci-fi movie couldn't even imagine and people are like "nah we shouldn't expect privacy anyway ya know"...

Why you think people who want Epic to win are actually Epic fanboys ? This is not about Epic, this is about Apple. I couldn't care less about Epic.

Apple is abusing its position, Epic wants to allow alternative stores and more competition from anybody, not just them.

This is a fight against an abuse of position, this will benefit everyone, not just epic.

How the hell is that okay to take money from inside a service.

Did Chrome asked 30% on all Ebay sells because users where using Chrome as the "platform" to access EBay ?

How can we even support Apple on that one ?

They signed but not willingly. This notion of "you signed = you consent" is ridiculous when you are in practice forced to sign.

When there is a mono/duopoly there is no choice if you want to live or do business. You are forced to accept their conditions.

I do not agree with banks, Google, Linkdln, FB, etc. yet I have been forced to sign their user agreement to have a job, to be able to buy food, etc. In no way I consent to their terms but I have been forced.

Consoles situation is bad too but you can live without a console, you can't live without a phone.

The usage of phones is not comparable with consoles. We do everything on phone/tablets/laptop and almost nothing on consoles.

That's why addressing Google / Apple Store monopolies are a priority compared to marginal things in our lives like consoles

I agree Mozilla screwed up. Especially in comparison to others such as Blender which managed to build something better than the proprietary alternatives by gathering fund through sponsors & donations without ever sacrificing their values such as the GPL openness and while keeping all the focus on Blender.

They even obtained a place at Khronos and have a voice on the future of compute & graphic standards.

I donate to Blender because I know that not a single cent is wasted.

Mozilla is the opposite, everything is wasted & there is no focus.

I would gladly donate to a new foundation for a browser that takes the same model as Blender, Godot, etc. : start small, stay focused & don't sacrifice your core values

If some ex-Mozilla devs would set up a Patreon (or other platform) to work exclusively on Firefox I would donate.

Basically do the same as Godot, Blender, etc. small team but focused on the project

> Going by “national security” reasons most countries should ban Facebook and google, not to mention amazon, Microsoft, oracle, Cisco etc. since the us government has already shown willingness and ability to spy on anything they can get their hands on, including foreign heads of state. Allowing US controlled social media and other tech companies is a huge risk.

Yes.

As a European, I believe in Europe (and in the rest of the world) we should definitively ban most US tech be it for ethical reasons or national security. Same for China.

EU Politicians don't seem to understand the situation yet, but given the current technological cold war happening, I hope we'll wake up soon and switch either to open tech or at least to our own local tech.