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This brings to mind the humorous RFC 2549, "IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service". Honestly if the Internet collapsed it would be hidden blessing.

Professionalization and high employee debt means that the employees will choose sel-prezervation over creative inquiry and truth seeking.

Carring on with this too blantly and over time, it seems self-undermining.

I'd guess Science died the day it was born as "Science". So being a Science superpower really means being a gatekeeping Science-containment Superpower. Antiscience?

For the forward after the beginning is is with the backward before the beginning is.

An example...

Let's say hypothetically a spiritual- social-functioning organization existed in more than 10,000 U.S. cities invisible to most (say polling graduating high school seniors in the 90s), wouldn't that seem like in impossible warping of public awareness. Obviously they'd guess they have churches in every city with larger cities maybe having some mosques or synagogues. But the later two are quite out numbered by another, Freemasonry. "What's Freemasonry? We never learned about that in school", they'd say.

And how many out-of-box variables have they had patients control for? If it's less than 25 I think medicine has been hijacked by the consumer wanting to not participate in the medical-inquiry process.

I could solve the issue with perhaps 1000-5000 serious patient-subjects, a small amount of funding and a friggen smart phone app.

Also a non-corrupt government should seem to want to lower healthcare costs. But just because politicians say that doesn't mean much because the incentives of government too are poisoned. They don't in practice (and in sum) want to lower healthcare costs. Why would you think that?

It's self-sacrifice that is needed. Most medicine will collapse in my lifetime, and the professionals, politicians and lobbyists brought this upon themselves (and unfortunately us).

I know I was a bit over-the-top, but I stand by this logic that is far more general than "CPAP-as-an-answer" (but I do personally think it applies here but that is moreso speculation):

> "...If a hypothetical drug existed that was radically cheap and improved general health outcomes by 25%-50%, the institution of medicine and insurance by logic of self-preservation would not allow to exist or be known."

The reasoning is that there is a large capacity and infrastructure of trained professionals and insurance expectational-warp. If the medical visits and drug prescriptions were decimated the financial side of things would collapse. The reason they turn a blind eye to what we think of as truth-oriented science is that early career professionals have mortgages and debt and so are themselves locked-in to playing their cards in favor of institutional self-preservation. When this gets out of hand they begin to habitualize a rationalization-like thinking that is purely self-serving.

I am of the opinion that we are far past the point of corruption (it is unconscious in the professionals themselves), but it is mostly a question of debt thresholds and group psychology.

My reasons for saying you should yourself as a sleep apnea patient should just figure it out is that that is how pessimistic I am about such professional blindness. To be honest I'm leaving out the main problem with CPAP because by your response you just aren't ready to engage in creative thought (no offense that is almost all of humanity). Most of the intellectual and professional world sets a bar so damn low its like they are playing limbo. Meanwhile patients are like zombified robots programmed to trust the white lab coats like lambs to the slaughter.

Just like political debate is self-perpetuating such that a negatively defined identity is preserved and valued over mediation and understanding, most professionals use their brain power to self-sabotage away from institutional-skeptical inquiry as its too uncomfortable to self-sacrifice reputation, income and eventually their careers.

Medicine is wholly corrupt. If a hypothetical drug existed that was radically cheap and improved general health outcomes by 25%-50%, the institution of medicine and insurance by logic of self-preservation would not allow to exist or be known.

Such a drug would undermine things as they stand and so institutional self-preservation is now the primary purpose trumping any sort of too good actual solution.

You will learn more operating orthogonal to such a corrupt anti-inquiry, science-theatre. Just as a doctor-spouse (an unpaid friend-consultant) will always give you better advice than a paid doctor.

...Im saying if you are willing to read the research you are probably willing to run some n-of-1 quasi experiments.

For example dont use a computer, TV or phone for a month. Don't sit under LED or Fluroescent Lights for a month...I dont know, just try dumb things and you will learn faster than professionals "games".

This is because we operate in a low bar expectation brought on by arrogance of theory over experiment.

When crowd sourced n-of-1 combinatorial design apps drop for patients and scale to large enough, ... this point will make sense

100% and it's rather sad people cant see through it as medical rent seeking.

Do you think they even want to understand apnea? It seems to me there is a toxic incentive situation here. I'd bet money a full blown set of variable controls will be found to solve this problem and come from outside sleep medicine.

Its not magic, its that modern professionalized science is devoid of inquiry.

Its worse than that. There is a logic to society, growth and scaling that involves accumulating obligations. This is like a gravity or a gang hivemind that due to scale inverts the value of bettering to the value of self-preservation of a corrupt society theatre. They dont want improvement but containment i.e. inhibition of creative destruction. What really gets me here is just how much people normalize lying.

When you know this (if you arent obligation enslaved) you can then just work orthogonally to the system to make something way better. In fact it kind of breaks reality for you.

Delete your HackerNews acct too, even this platform is beyond corrupted by bad actors and arrogant fools. The Web is 100% dead, killed by AI and poisoned human hearts.

Watch Jack Kruze on Robert Breedlove's podcast (near the end of Pt II will blow your mind blown right out of your skull.) A medical revolution? -- perhaps something much more.

The excessive day time sleepiness (not the Cataplexy nor the sleep paralysis) aspect of Narcolepsy is bizarre and I think misunderstood. I was able with years of experimentation to control the fatigue. There are many variables so I wont go into it.

Still one experiment that seemed interesting was that a drop of Methelyne Blue reverted all fatigue (nearing a state of Narcoleptic slumber) but didnt work too well with continued experiments after a week or two.

What is bizarre is that its onset of action was ONE SECOND. That should tell you all you need to know, but this isnt medical advice.

Danny Jones podcast interview with Daylight Computer founder Anjan Katta on our Brave New World and failure of Silicon Valley.

> "that what we love will ruin us"

Urbit Channel's Desc. (YouTube) "Curtis Yarvin has returned to Urbit as wartime leader. He will take questions from the Urbit community via the %radio app hosted by ~nodmyn-dosrux."

...why is this flagged?

Despite any PR answer they probably provided to cover themselves, this is precisely the reason they altered the readability of data like e.g. the number of downvotes of a post.

They want to hide certain correlations around controversial posts from long held accounts who otherwise have a good post and comment karma. If one had access to timestamps too then one could essentially see some of the astroturfing and intentionally directed bot spam clearly. Too much data would allow one to see such corruption in very clear ways. And even analyze the rhetorical anti-communication hostility tactics.

Simultaneously this gives them an excuse to ban all accounts productive in communication (via some slight breaking of some rule) with the explanation that they are too swamped to make discerning decisions.

This could lead to a large amount of helpful preliminary signals that eventually pan out into some new knowledge.

Linnaeus and lists?

Linneaus had an implied design for a flower clock based on an ordering of an ensemble of species selected for their blooming schedules.

Now how about a "living list" with its own "circadian clock" and maturation lifecycle? That is with its own built-in attention allocation schedule among the list's elements. Like the Riddle of the Sphinx, or a logarithmic spiral phyllotaxis of three (1-2-3) archeyptal phases and reproduction. It would be a metaphor of life only with a couple extra properties related to the reproduction death-birth and an additional aspect of how that relates to harmony and the seeming self-undermining paradox. A floral motive representation.

> "How well the skilful Gardner drew

> Of flow’rs and herbs this Dial new;

> Where from above the milder Sun

> Does through a fragrant Zodiack run;

> And, as it works, th’ industrious Bee

> Computes its time as well as we.

> How could such sweet and wholsome Hours

> Be reckon’d but with herbs and flow’rs!"

> --Andrew Marvell. The Garden

Strange that I find myself playing with this over the past year or two and it just yesterday started to really bloom. see https://medium.com/the-sphinx/run-the-logic-17d717792989

I hope in the future the notion of scale (or just more concrete conceptual frameworks in economics and politics) will be made more known in the popular consciousness. I find Taleb to be onto some interesting writing here: PRINCIPIA POLITICA Politics & Ethics under Scaling and Uncertainty. see https://www.taesch.com/wp-content/plugins/zotpress/lib/reque...

There is a whole "grammar of proofs and basic intro to higher mathematics" style course nowadays.

Book of Proof has a free PDF version. It covers the basic styles of proof (necessary to learn but still not super advanced).

Other texts of this sort include Jay Cummings long form texts (I myself haven't worked through or even exaimed these but they seem popular.

> "if you want to be come a real biologist"

I love Wilson and in particular his prose, but he never himself seemed to get very far into any sort of "understanding" type of consilience himself (he was a professional scientist after all).

Your quote from him reads like someone looking back on a past personal realization of a significant paradigm shift and expansion of perspective when they are themselves at the same time already of a bygone era blindly living in a lower dimension (as are most).

The trend of employing optogenetics and optogenetic-like functional tech to this problem I find frightening. And keep in mind "opto" isnt just visible light.

The other big idea (which the paper mentions) is the coupling of systems being sensed. For example in the medical research they now couple fMRI (bloodflow) with EGG (coarse firing activity) and also EGG with pulsed ultrasound neuromodulation. This is interesting because the metabolic process is almost a "mind if its own".

I think more creativity should be encouraged as if the student wasn't just learning material but how to be a generative mathematician of interesting new ideas and proofs.

The Moore Method is a well known pedagogical method of teaching math courses.

A text for humanities students on higher-math (it is on the lower-higher fringe I suppose) that emphasizes this perspective but is not as spartan is Mathematics A Creative Art by Julia Wells Bower.

See "The Moore Method", The Journal of Inquiry-Based Learning in Mathematics (JIBLM) has course notes http://www.jiblm.org/

Authors I have enjoyed are Spivak & Knuth but that is more about elegance and pedagogical style.

Being a paper book person (and bibliophile) myself, I wish this could be formated into a typeset pdf format.

The book isnt BS, it is just you are overlaying a more specific purpose onto a work that is more general in its communicative mode and goals.

It is a common source of confusion.

It was inspired by him, a sort of philosophically oriented professor of religious history, attending an interdisciplinary conference on game theory in which he was the token philosopher.

But his book is more about play, novelty, authenticity, open-endedness, paradox and "life in general".

It emphases always keeping in mind the nesting of competition and cooperation and that one should always leave open the possibility to tweak the rules to keep the game in play (reminds me of fallibilsm).

I think he was influenced by Nicolas of Cusa's On Learned Ignorance hence the title oh another Carse book, The Religious Case Against Belief:

> "Therefore, every inquiry proceeds by means of a comparative relation, whether an easy or a difficult one. Hence, the infinite, qua infinite, is unknown; for it escapes all comparative relation." — Nicholas of Cusa, De Docta Ignorantia (On Learned Ignorance)

Also Carse's book has footnotes but no bibliography!

I actually read it through the lens of AGI but that was not his intention. Because of that it pairs well with Kenneth Stanley and Joel Lehman's Myth of the Objective.

There is an existing person claiming to be a DOD contractor whistleblower on the subject of remote neuro tech that claims a method of hypothalamic interaction is in current use. Yes this not a well established claim, and conspiracy theory-like in its nature, but that would have to be the case as it couldn't be otherwise (unless the tech was not classified).

Martin Seidel: A high-level summary of some capabilities. https://vocaroo.com/1eqnsEwSYLlZ https://vocaroo.com/1eMX8LOUYrV6 https://twitter.com/MartinS67861003

Also see: https://gilfox.wixsite.com/akwei

I would be curious if anyone could see this because through some playful testing I was able to find that my posts only on this subject are censored/shadowbanned on certain platforms.