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This is really cool, and so far also just seems to be the model of funding science and discovery that the US government and other grant making entities follow thus far. Submit for RFP to do X with Y. At ANL for example it was (and still is in Computing), use our HPC resources to accelerate your research (after of course review and approval of proposals).

Other large companies and foundations have copied this model and I would presume have given much more latitude in coloring outside the lines without red tape. Beyond that I am curious what will be innovative about this (sure, claude is amazing, but there's nothing stopping another grant making organization from saying here's a bunch of money and compute - hire great people and go wild)

I was responding to the initial question actually (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38113521). I appreciate the insight though - looking forward to checking out the Gibson book.

Still, I'm not sure that I see the 'AI jumping out of the box scenario' any time soon (or ever). Chat apps finding missile codes, or convincing your smart toaster to jump in your bubble bath while you're inside seem only as real as a man in a box with intentions is (and unfortunately humans can kill from inside and out of boxes).

I'm definitely concerned about the implications to social welfare, the social bias involved in systems that make big decisions about an individuals freedom, etc, but these leaps from super impressive automated text analysis to humanity doomsday scenario seem like fear mongering to me mostly because these are scenarios that already exist today (along with massive problems in general social welfare).

The scenarios that don't exist (like Nick Bostrom's "An objective function that turns the world into a paper clip factory in "Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies") strike me as easy to fix by just standing by the power outlet so things don't get out of hand. There are a lot of risks that don't exist yet. Alien contact is one of them - never happened, but it could happen, and if it does it could wipe us out - so be afraid and do something noble for the cause. This to me feels like a very rational response to what is essentially a 'magical' prior. We're scared now because we 'feel' close to General AI, but we really have no way of quantifying how close we are to it, and how dangerous (if at all) it would actually be. I'm definitely open to being wrong, but its hard not to agree with LeCun on a level.

I used to think that this fear was driven by rational minds until I read Michael Lewis' "Going Infinite" and learned more about effective altruism [EA].

Michael Lewis writes that what is remarkable about these guys [i.e. EAs] is that they're willing to follow their beliefs to their logical conclusion (paraphrasing) without regard to social cost/consequences or just inconvenience of it all. In fact, in my estimation this is just the definition of religious fundamentalism, and gives us a new lens with which to understand EA and the well funded brain children of the movement.

Every effective religion needs a doomsday scenario, or some 'second coming' apocalyptic like scenario (not sure why, just seems to be a pattern). I think all this fear mongering around AI is just that - it's based on irrational belief at the end of the day - its humanism rewashed into tech 'rationalism' (which was originally just washed from Christianity et. al.)

These are sweet - does anyone know how these animations are being generated?

Evidence?

I believe Nassim Taleb wrote about this in relation to 'virtue signaling' - not swearing being a sign that people are trying to 'signal' professionalism in order to keep their jobs, and therefore are more likely to have less actual professional skills (which if good enough would secure their jobs regardless of profanity) and vice-versa. Same for hoodies over ties, etc. Although all this probably gets flipped now that we have people writing papers like this - context is everything.

thanks for the insight!

How is FUTO funded/who are the primary donors? This wasn't clear from the site.