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Freedom of Thought vs. Freedom of Spirit

What do you make of the fact that the modern liberal value of "Freedom of thought" emerged from a theological and metaphysical view that idealized "Freedom of spirit"? Does the former require the latter to be justified? What happens to the value of freedom of thought when freedom of spirit is no longer a rallying cry?

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Re:Against Persuasion on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:53PM (#27986987)
I wrote a full length response to this article here. Basically, I think it raises two questions: 1) what does the socratic mode miss? 2) is it better to have a conversation between two socratic types, or does does socratic dialogue require one dupe? https://whatiscalledthinking.substack.com/p/should-we-aspire...
Re:Can History Predict the Future? on Thursday November 12, 2020 @07:11PM (#25077112)
I thought this article provocative and thought-worthy.
Well deserved and deeply surprising. I just wrote a tribute to her here: https://whatiscalledthinking.substack.com/p/whats-your-story...
Re:What's Your Alternative to Fundamentalism? on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:44AM (#24627028)
You saying you don't need to justify yourself in advance; just act, and let the principles land where they may?
Re:What's Your Alternative to Fundamentalism? on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:36AM (#24626955)
Should the world be ruled by philosophers or engineers, or neither?
Re:You're enlightened – now what? on Saturday September 26, 2020 @08:51PM (#24603347)
Excellent! I linked to this story in my other comment: https://www.ibiblio.org/zen/gateless-gate/2.html

The point is that nobody should claim to be free from causality (though maybe the esoteric interpretation is that this is not because one can't be, but because the non-Enlightened will misuse or misunderstand the teaching). We are always culture-bound, and thus always biased, and thus mistake-prone, even if or when we achieve samadhi.

Re:You're enlightened – now what? on Saturday September 26, 2020 @08:41PM (#24603310)
Thanks everyone for engaging! Many rich comments Some quick thoughts:

1) I was deliberately leaving open the definition of Enlightenment--how we define Enlightenment, I think, is not the point. It shouldn't matter what is happening inside someone's brain or how they describe their experience if what we are weighing is the worldly impact of that experience, unless that inner experience can be communicated or translated into something socially tangible. If Enlightenment is supposed to bring "infinite compassion," as some describe, what's the actual delta for the un-enlightened as a result?

2) If you think Enlightenment is a good, like any other, than it can be priced. There is an opportunity cost to pursuing it or not. We should be transparent about the tradeoffs that come from pursuing Enlightenment, just as we should the tradeoffs of specializing in any one thing to the detriment of others. I am worried that we talk about Enlightened people the way Plato talks about philosopher kings. This is a great Buddhist parable on this topic: https://www.ibiblio.org/zen/gateless-gate/2.html

3) My article is not trying to make a point; each day I ask questions. My aim is to stimulate thinking, not refute or defend a position, though of course I have biases. No snark is intended. I believe the skepticism I evince is not in opposition to strands of Zen, but consonant with them.

4) There are good reasons to be pluralistic about our definition of Enlightenment, otherwise we become sectarian and intolerant and that is how religious wars start. On the other hand, maybe there is one true Enlightenment--but can you insist on that and not become theocratic? I'm not sure.

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