Freie_Messenger

> it works the same way email does.

No.

Matrix is like chatting via GIT (distributed databases) and tends to be a great team messenger like Mattermost or Zulip - XMPP is structurally like email ...

-> see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36939676

> Isn't xmpp old style instant messaging?

No.

XMPP is just as "modern" as Matrix, but has a _different _ data storage/distribution idea.

see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36939676

> „my question would be the reverse“. I have no idea why I’d use XMPP

> My question to you would be: what do you like about XMPP?

Same things & more:

- modern chat solution with features people have com to expect from WhatsApp

- many bridges that have kept me from having to use more than one chat client for multiple protocols (think pidgin)

- many great messengers have discovered XMPP as a great base for their system

- lots of great communities are on XMPP

- realistic participant counts in public chat rooms - no counting dead (former) members

- pretty good video & voice chat

- open source

- selfhosting possible

- fewer concerns about data protection and privacy

- more resource efficient (less memory required, lower CPU utilization)

And:

- The use is possible and allowed everywhere where e-mail is in use.

> ...assumes you know what Matrix is ...

Matrix is a chat protocol. It works like chatting over GIT (distributed databases) and is more like a team messenger like Mattermost or Zulip. Conduit is a server software and not for end users.

More information about Matrix: https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/matrix

Matrix is like chatting via GIT (distributed databases) and tends to be a team messenger like Mattermost or Zulip - XMPP is structurally like email (but with options like online status, currently typing, last online, ...) and is often used by large messenger services (e.g. WhatsApp uses its own variant of XMPP).

XMPP is the only system that can and may(!) be used wherever email is in use.

XMPP is just as "modern" as Matrix, but has a _different _ data storage/distribution idea.

Comparison: https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/systemvergleich/xmpp-matri...

https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/systemvergleich -> e.g. XMPP

like Matrix: https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/systemvergleich/team/

- Messenger systems are now grouped by serverbased, server-supported and serverless - SimpleX, VooV and QQ were added to "Quick Overview Messenger Systems" - ...

For people who are interested in alternatives to WhatsApp (like XMPP and Matrix) and need more than one good source for comparison.

List at https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/sys_p2p: - Anonymous Messenger - Bitmessage - Briar - Echo - Jami - Katzenpost - Mesh-Chat - Retroshare - Ricochet Refresh - Scuttlebutt - Silence - SimpleX - TinfoilChat (TFC) - Tox - Vuvuzela

With the Digital Markets Act (DMA) the EU want to control big players - the goal of DMA isn't to improve interoperability itself. But press/marketing say "DMA=Interoperability" (which is wrong).

More: https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/begriffe/interoperabilitae...

Here are a few tips to reduce resource consumption (german): https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/sys_matrix/#eigener-server

Rocket.Chat is made for workgroups (“groupware”) and can be seen as open source alternative to “Slack”. Open source teammessengers are Matrix, Mattermost, Rocket.Chat and Zulip:

https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/sys_team

Let's hope Rocket.Chat don't limit federation but use/allow open federation to all Matrix servers and also use and enable the XMPP bridge too. This will give both protocols a boost. Btw: Will they drop the "old" federation?

https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/sys_team/#rocket-chat

Yes - here is a comparison XMPP<->Matrix: https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/systemvergleich/xmpp-matri...

Gnome Foundation: Please use/activate the xmpp bridge to support interoperability and don't use it as walled garden (closed Matrix instance). Thoughts on interoperability: https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/begriffe/interoperabilitae...

https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/sys_matrix/#clients (german)

> Is XMPP any good? Sure - here are lots of informations:

The chat standard XMPP (IETF): https://www.freie-messenger.de/sys_xmpp (german)

Thoughts on interoperabiliy: https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/begriffe/interoperabilitae...

Quick overview of messenger systems (DE, EN, FR, ES, NL, ...): https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/systemvergleich

Because there are so many comments comparing XMPP with Matrix: https://www.freie-messenger.de/en/systemvergleich/xmpp-matri...