CloudNine

No, it is not really that relevant.

If Microsoft is paying recoiledsnake a billion dollars to make that post, does it change any of the facts in it? No? Then why whinge about possible or probably astroturfing instead of just addressing the facts in their post?

Unless you want HN to do a full background check on every poster here, it's hard to identify Google/Apple/Microsoft fans/haters/employees/shareholders. You have the option to remain silent, vote and move on if you're not interested in a post.

Can we comment on the stories and not the commenters themselves? What is this? A witch hunt?

Okay let me explain it. Microsoft wanted to point out that Gmail scans the contents of email while Outlook.com doesn't in the Scroogled campaign.

And now Google is trying legal tactics with a C&D to takedown to prevent Windows Phone users from getting a very popular smartphone app, YouTube, so they're smearing themselves here and helping the scroogled compaign paint them as evil.

Well, I submitted this story to see what the reaction of HN posters is. Well, almost no one here is commenting on topic because they seem to be squirming and are instead going on complete tangents by commenting about commenters and everyone else and then the submission gets flagged off the front page like every story on this Google C&D and you're accusing me of personal attacks? Really? How about some basic ethics, integrity and consistency from the other posters instead of trying to pretend that Google can do wrong and trying to derail and flag the story?

Too bad you got caught trying to delete your troll post here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5717922

Geez, I was referring to mtgx as a Google fanboy and MS hater, certainly not cooldeal.

Good job, Google fans for flagging this story off the front page, you really have a veto on the HN front page.

What kind of subs exactly? The ones critical of Google?

How about just skipping the story/comments and moving to the next instead of trying to bury real news for everyone by flagging?

From the HN guidelines:

If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.)

You're basically abusing your mod privieleges.

Okay, I was confused because people don't seem to be condemning Google for their evil lockout tactics here and are instead commenting on commenters.

Criticizing Google for being evil does not mean they're supporting Microsoft here or that they're MVPs or PR drones.

No, they got tired of begging Google for a Youtube app for close to three years for Windows Phone, so they went ahead and made one so that Windows Phone users will finally have a good app instead of getting frustrated by Google's deliberate strategy to make Windows Phone less attractive.

And Google wants to pull away that app from WP users by using legal bullying tactics.

And Google employees/shareholders never post anything bad about Microsoft online, like on HN, right? I have a bridge to sell to you.

I like how the Google fans and Microsoft haters on this story so far are commenting about the commenters instead of commenting on the story about Google using its influence to block a popular smartphone app from Windows Phone.

Great job guys,you should apply at Google PR if you already don't work there or own their stock.

Edit: Ninja delete but I caught it in time! Here's the post before he/she deleted it:

weareconvo 0 minutes ago | link | parent | flag

Kinda like CloudNine, the person who submitted this article, is a Microsoft employee.

I see, do you have an opinion on the story or are you here just to comment about how other people's personal tastes are out of the mainstream?

Read the stories in this post for more details.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5717749

Okay, let us assume that he does, so what? A lot of people work for Microsoft, Google and Apple and post on HN.

I didn't see a sign up message on HN stating that only Google and Apple employees/fans are allowed to post here.

Nice job at trying to derail the discussion. Now care tell us what do you think of the topic of this story instead of trying to go ad hominem on a tangent about some HN commenter's posting history which has nothing to do with anything really?

Edit: What in cooldeal's HN profile makes you think he works for Microsoft?

Just last quarter, Windows Phone shipped on 6 million phones and Windows 8 sold total 100 million licensees. Someone who likes them is the "only one" and is "far, far out of the mainstream?".

Also what's up with people launching ad hominem attacks on people liking Windows instead of commenting on the topic on hand? What has your post got to do with Google blocking and refusing to make a YouTube app for Windows Phone?

>Also, what if I was him/her? Whats your problem, really

Well, looking at his previous postings he seems quite the dedicated Google fan and Microsoft hater. Nothing wrong with that, really but my best guess is that he has nothing to say about Google's evil power grab to hurt Windows Phone here or Google's hypocritical bogus Mission Statement, so he's doing the next best thing at damage control for Google by trying to draw a red herring by going ad hominem and accusing HN commenters of being MS astroturfers or something. Search me, I am puzzled as well as how your account age is related to this story.

Earlier discussions:

C&D takedown to Microsoft by Google: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715168

Microsoft's response(Lying at #40 on second page because of heavy flagging by Google fans in spite of it having more votes than many stories on front page):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715889

> They can still be quietly unhappy, locked into the platform with hundreds of thousands of man-hours invested into proprietary applications that depend heavily on major, hard-to-replace platform components (see: WPF, not implemented by Mono, or Silverlight, hit and miss via the unmaintained Moonlight), and buying server licenses due to a change in the way change in the way servers are provisioned.

What change in the way servers are provisioned? Many companies still use Windows Server 2003 and even .NET 4.5 is supported on it. That sounds like FUD.

>They can still be quietly unhappy, locked into the platform with hundreds of thousands of man-hours invested into proprietary applications

They can also be happy with the ease of use of Active Directory and Group Policy instead of relying on half baked convulted perl scripts cooked up by a long gone sysadmin. Please, you're just embarassing yourself with your ignorant assumptions.

>I countered jussij's perspective, equally posted without "links or references"

No, he posted a publicly verifiable figure which is audited by the SEC and punishable with heavy penalties for faking, 11% increase of revenue in the quarter, up from last years quarter, whereas you continue the trend of the thousand other HN comments which say .NET is dying because they personally don't know of a company using it. How many companies do you know? How many companies exist in the US? Keep up the navel gazing. Your other posts also are idle speculation hopelessly stuck in your own bubble and your post is not very different from line noise at this point.

Just the number of unfilled requirements for ASP.NET MVC shows around 2000 openings.

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=%22asp.net+mvc%22&l=

The more likely explanation is that Google fans and Microsoft haters are doign the flagging.

Even the other story about Microsoft's response is getting flagged and is far down the front page for its points.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715889

What's your explanation for this constant flagging of Microsoft related stories or anti-Google ones?

Read through this thread for examples for many more stories getting flagged off the front page.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5716010

HN rankings graph showing abnormal and sudden dips.

http://hnrankings.info/5715168/

HN rankings graph showing low rank for a long time inspite of a lot of upvotes.

http://hnrankings.info/5715889/

>has nothing to do with interoperating, but rather Microsoft not showing ads (among other infractions).

Says who? Microsoft offered to show ads but Google refuses to give them access to the API since almost 3 years.

Perhaps you haven't read this story because Google fanboys on HN are flagging it heavily to keep HN readers like you in the dark.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715889

Then why does Vimeo have a Windows Phone 8 and WinRT app while YouTube with a much higher revenue can't make one?

Why does the zombie company Yahoo Mail bother to a Windows Metro app while Gmail doesn't?

Or perhaps Google doesn't want to support Windows Phone and WinRT for the fear of rivaling Android phones and tablets.

>Also, whether or not you get your flagging privileges revoked is, among other factors, a function of how popular the things that you are flagging are. That is why you can flag spam on 'new' all day long to your heart's content but one hour of flagging a dozen or two "Steve Jobs died" posts will see you unable to flag almost immediately.

Where did you gather this from, since you aren't banned from flagging?

Also, since you seem to be quite knowledgeable about HN's system, instead of just "disagreeing", could you enlighten us a few few ways other than flagging that all those posts in the screenshots are ranked lower than other older posts with less points?

Right now this story is like this:

101 points by CloudNine 4 hours ago | 46 comments

Yet it sits at #25, far below other posts with less points. What can cause that?

Copy pasta from someone else's HN comment on Google sending cease and desist to MS for Youtube story:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715889

From Google's About page: "Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful."

Last time when Google was intentionally blocking Google maps and then deprecated ActiveSync on Windows Phone someone suggested Google should updated it to the following:(which seems quite true given how much of the world's crowdsourced video content is on YouTube):

"Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful, except on Windows Phone".

There's a LOT of startups here http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/Partners/Startups.aspx

>This is the same selling scheme used by drug dealers.

Would you hold Google to the same standard and say that's true of their free Google Apps for education and how they use free email to sign you into Google.com so they can track you across different PCs?

http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/education/

So, .NET is dying because quite a few people are locked into it? Sounds like you got it backwards.

And the red herrings about the name .NET don't make any sense except if you look from the context of the prevalent buzzwords and jargon at the end of 90s. Like, say "dotcom".

>Looks like the Google fans, employees and shareholders on HN with good karma can't let this story break on the day of Google I/O? And people accuse Microsoft of astroturfing! What is this then?

Well, obviously this is a false flag attack by paid Microsoft astroturfers and shills! /s :)