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> And that is wrong. It's even better than the "cash cow" it used to be, I provided some values of what Windows brings in over the years, and it has grown and grown. You ignored that.

No and I've never ignored it. As the revenue percentage decreases because it is growing slow. It will become less important.

Relatively it isn't as much of a cash cow, which I explained ad-nauseam to you.

> You seriously do not.

It is correct enough for all intents and purposes. You are quibbling over semantics. It is totally unnecessary and pedantic.

> You are reported.

I don't care. If you make arrogant little statements like that, expect that response.

This is true for quite a number of brands of vehicles. Also I don't understand what a modern Porsche is. Porsche to me was always a Rear Engined, (normally) RWD sports car i.e. the 911. I am personally on the look for a 944 (believe it or not they are cheaper than JDM cars of a similar vintage).

When I see a Porsche SUV, to me that isn't a Porsche. It looks like any other SUV on the road with Porsche badge on it. It akin to someone putting a Apple Sticker over Dell Logo on their laptop.

The same happens when you see a Bentley or Rolls Royce SUV.

> They put their marque behind EV and Hybrid. It worked. Their brand sold well.

They are losing money. Sales are down and they are planning to move back to ICE and are postponing or cancelling EV projects.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/porsche-loses-1-1-billion-220...

> This isn't "semantic wankery".

Yeah it is. I never said it wasn't a cash cow. I said "it wasn't the cash cow it once was". I obviously meant relatively compared to other parts of Microsoft's business.

Considering you keep omitting that from what I said, I can only assume you are continuing to engage in bad faith.

> Next time you want to use a colloquialism, make sure you look it up first.

I understand what it means fine. I did use it correctly.

> Microsoft Windows still dominates the OS market.

On on laptops and desktops. The vast majority of people at home are using phones and tablets (outside of work usage). In that space Android dominates, then iOS and have done so for about a decade now.

> Feel free to quit this conversation at any time.

You are a clown.

I've listened to a lot of Malcolm X. He was a better speaker IMO, his rhetoric was better. I believe he had a more accurate understanding of the reality of how power really works. It has nothing to do with wanting to justifying violence, Malcolm X made a number of matter of fact observations.

> people paying for things at stores is not because everyone has actually agreed on the price.

Yes it is. If a normal commodity item such as bottle of milk was outrageous overpriced in a particular store. I would just go to another store.

As for whether I would pay for something without the threat of violence. I do so everyday. I've walked out of stores by mistake with an item I haven't paid for and gone back into the store and paid for it. I don't like my things being stolen, and thus I don't steal other people's things.

I pay for my eggs from a farm and it is a honour system.

> Yeah, you're still just wrong.

No. All you are doing is engaging in semantic wankery.

> So your assumption that Windows is somehow "not the cash cow it once was" is false. It's bringing in more money than it ever did before.

What don't you understand about being a smaller percentage of their business as a whole?

My entire point that it has gone from the basically a 30% (~2010) of the revenue to less than 10%. Therefore they are simply not going to care about it as much, because their strategy is basically to push as much as possible into the cloud.

Saying they make more money with that now, when the growth compared to other parts of the business is low is missing the point.

> Twitter had a lot of engineers on its payroll to look for the next big thing.

What was the "next big thing" before acquisition? There seems to be more features added after the acquisition than before it.

My original comment:

> The fact is that Windows isn't the cash cow it used to be for Microsoft

My second to you:

> Windows isn't a cash cow it once was

You really need to learn how to read or all you are doing is arguing about semantics.

> That isn't how you compare things.

I compared once segment of the business to others. Several other websites had various estimates on what percentage of the business Windows took up. Most of them said 6-10%, so I took 10%. Other websites group server and cloud, A rough guesstimate for a comment on a discussion thread is good enough. I was't aware I would need to go through the 10Q filings to satisfy you.

The point being communicated (even with your ridiculous nitpicks about the stats) is that Windows isn't a cash cow it once was. Microsoft Strategy is not Windows focused like it was under Ballmer.

I am English. It took me all of like 30 seconds to look up the relevant law using Google. Most of Anglosphere has a definition of Burglary that is essentially the same and I suspect it is the same in Europe.

They don't need it if everything is in the cloud running oh their servers. They won't care if you are running Windows, Linux, Chrome, A tablet with a keyboard and mouse hooked up.

The vast majority of people that don't work in IT don't ever use a laptop or a desktop computer unless it is for work. They are using a phone and/or tablet.

The comment you are replying to has no idea what they are talking about.

Burglary is defined in the Theft Act 1968:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/9

The door can be wide open. The important parts are you are trespassing with the intent to commit a crime.

> In the UK, there is no crime "burglary".

Yes there is:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/9

https://www.college.police.uk/guidance/residential-burglary/...

> "Breaking and entering" it's a criminal offence, and walking through an unlocked front door back door doesn't count.

No breaking and entering is known as burglary. Also if you walk through the front door with the intent to commit a crime it is still burglary. The important part is trespassing with the intent to commit a crime.

Yes. Similarly, If I leave my car unlocked with the keys in the ignition, and someone takes it is still a crime. It might be unwise to do that (depending on where you are), but nonetheless it is still crime.

> It's still the foundational underpinning of everything Microsoft does. It's just that the other revenues dwarf it.

If a corporate customer is running their stuff in the cloud they don't care if people are using Chromebooks/MacBooks/Linux to develop the software with. They just care that you are using Azure. Ultimately they want you to do everything through a web browser (just like google), even some dev environments are going that way.

Outside of corporations when interacting with non-tech people, none of them use a laptop. It is phone or tablet. A laptop running Windows is a work machine. I wonder what the stats are for home usage of Windows vs other things and honestly I don't believe a lot people are using a laptop/desktop running Windows.

> It's not like they could not serve ads and shove CoPilot in your face, without making the UI so so sloppy and slow.

I have a stripped down Windows 11 on my second disk (I will be removing it at some point). The OS is reasonably fast. I've removed most of the telemetry and other rubbish like the web search on desktop. So I can only assume it is that. I don't really care though anymore. I am running Debian on pretty much everything except for the work machine which I don't own.

I am encountering it almost not at all. I work in a org that basically doesn't know that Linux exist and outside of top management nobody uses Word. Excel is still massively useful.

The fact is that Windows isn't the cash cow it used to be for Microsoft. Windows makes up less than 10% of Microsoft's revenue now. Server and Cloud and Office 365 make up the bulk of their income now.

As time goes on Windows is going to be smaller piece of this pie and I suspect Microsoft will move it over to a subscription service or you will just have like 1000 ads shoved in your face. I made the move over to Linux last year and Windows will have to live in a VM.

The post office will attempt to deliver if you put an address on it.

There is guy living off grid in I believe Dorset on YouTube called "Maximus Ironthumper". The post office told him to try sending himself letters, eventually they started turning up. Then that became the address.

He has a whole series of videos about how he kinda managed to setup his off grid living situation, there is everything from how to avoid planning permission, to how he setup his solar power.

> Can't you drink non-alcoholic beverage? If the point is socialising, alcohol is not a requirement.

It kinda is though depending on who you go to the bar with.

I went to the bar to get fucked up, a lot of my career I've worked in toxic workplaces, so have stressful day and work and then hit the bar.

Most of my mates at the time were heavy drinkers. We are talking about people that would have 6 beers and the bar and have a bottle of Rioja when they get home. Some of these dudes have turned out to be scumbags.

Once I stopped drinking, I never spoke to them again. Not once. So these people weren't my real friends.

> I know a lot of bars in my area also are places to play board games nowadays.

TBH, when I see people playing board games other than like Chess or Draughts as adults (and there are not children present), I just find it embarrassing like it is like some child day care. I appreciate it is a "me" problem, but I can't stand it.

I generally don't pay attention to the news at all anymore (the vast majority of it is rage bait). I think the last time I paid attention to the BBC news when it was on when the Bibby Stockholm Barge was being moored in Portland. The way the news anchor was talking about it, was as if it was full of Zombies with the T-Virus on-board. While the footage just had a tugboat pulling a barge. It was utterly ridiculous.

Outside of that the news seems to be very focused on what happens in London/Westminster, Ukraine, Palestine or Trump. I don't really care about any of those.

I only pretty much care about things like Digital ID and stuff like OSA.

However Scotland (much like Northern Island) seems like it own little weird microcosm.

I don't really understand the political landscape outside of England and whenever I see statements made by the main party up there (the SNP) they seem to be utterly ridiculous jingoist anti-English nonsense that feels like it stems from Braveheart. I am not going to listen to a politician that basically painting me out to be the enemy, which is odd since most Scottish people I've spoken to are quite friendly.

TBH, I don't care generally what happens up in Scotland.

When I lived in Spain getting my NIE number was a pain as the office was open for 2 hours in the morning. Luckily I was with an English person that spoke Spanish that helped me fill out the forms.

They won't be any better. Farage is ultimately untrustworthy.

I haven't shown my photocard drivers license in literally years to anyone, other than renewing it.

I normally just use Birthcert and Utility bills.

The government is famously dysfunctional in the UK. It is unlikely to get any better. So most of us would rather they do nothing than make the situation worse.

I've lived in other countries in Europe and their government isn't that smooth either. In fact the UK was much better than Spain when I lived there, though things may have changed now.

There is always something in the UK where I find out something utterly ridiculous is allowed, yet they are quite happy to legislate thousands of other things.

> No concept of government ID other than a full size passport, which made the many silly age checks in pubs and stores rather laughable.

Memorising your Birthday to be 2 years earlier to fool the pub bouncer was what we all did.

That why they have party whips and threaten deselections for people that have their own ideas.

Many of these people would not be in Parliament if they weren't selected by the party. Most people vote for a party, not the MP. So why would it benefit the MP to have their own views when they can just parrot whatever they've been told to? It doesn't.

It is a "use it or lose it" style campaign by the looks of it.

Lots of Pubs in the UK are closing down in recent years. Pubs have traditionally been a big part of socialising in the UK. I don't drink anymore so I don't bother unless I am having a pub lunch on a Friday.

> You don’t have to, but it would have taken less effort than your responses so far.

Actually it wouldn't. There are many arguments from fringe figures to more mainstream with various rationales. Much has been written about it.

> If you’re not interested in someone’s question then you should probably just ignore it rather than write paragraphs about why you’re not interested in it, but you do you!

I answered your question. The way I answered while a bit sardonic is supposed to make you think a bit. Obviously you don't appreciate it, but it isn't in bad faith.

Not everything has to be some sort of logical back and forth debate to get the point across.