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Re:Smalltalk is stable and growing by paulgb on Wednesday December 16, 2009 @01:34PM (#999388)
I picked up Seaside and Magritte recently to build a demo. Seaside is a refreshing change from the Rails/Django/Pylons style frameworks. I found the abstractions Seaside provides (continuations and components) to be much more powerful than what the other frameworks gave me.

The downside is that it's a drastically different development process than I'm used to. Squeak and Pharo take a lot of effort to get used to.

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Re:Smalltalk is stable and growing by vorador on Wednesday December 16, 2009 @01:49PM (#999437)
Did you try GNU Smalltalk (http://smalltalk.gnu.org/)? It's a command-line smalltalk that interfaces well with unix. I find it simpler to grasp than seaside because there are less things to understand at the same time.
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Re:Smalltalk is stable and growing by vorador on Wednesday December 16, 2009 @03:24PM (#999637)
Did you try GNU Smalltalk (http://smalltalk.gnu.org/)? It's a command-line smalltalk that interfaces well with unix. I find it simpler to grasp than squeak because there are less things to understand at the same time.

edit: replaced seaside with squeak

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Re:Smalltalk is stable and growing by spooneybarger on Wednesday December 16, 2009 @03:28PM (#999644)
once you dont have all the nice smalltalk tools which gnu smalltalk is still lacking a number of right now, you basically have something that is rather like ruby without anywhere near as many libraries.
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Re:Smalltalk is stable and growing by rufugee on Wednesday December 16, 2009 @03:05PM (#999596)
Don't you mean "simpler to grasp than Squeak"? I doubt Seaside and GNU Smalltalk have much in common...one being a framework and the other a smalltalk environment.

What I'd be more curious about is whether GNU Smalltalk can run Seaside...

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Re:Smalltalk is stable and growing by avibryant on Wednesday December 16, 2009 @03:22PM (#999635)
It can, as of the recent releases.
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Re:Smalltalk is stable and growing by paulgb on Wednesday December 16, 2009 @06:30PM (#999994)
Avi, do you use Pharo as your main development environment?
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Re:Smalltalk is stable and growing by spooneybarger on Wednesday December 16, 2009 @03:24PM (#999638)
gnu smalltalk can run seaside but it tends to lag behind pharo as pharo is the target platform ( gemstone, cincom et al also lag behind to some degree ).
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Re:Smalltalk is stable and growing by paulgb on Wednesday December 16, 2009 @02:25PM (#999530)
Thanks, I did briefly switch from Pharo to GNU Smalltalk and then back. I don't remember what my reasoning was, so maybe GNU Smalltalk deserves another look.
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