Re:Let's Stop Talking About "Backups"
by theBobMcCormick on Tuesday December 15, 2009 @10:53AM
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What I find amusing about the whole thing is that it's like a microcosm representation of how developers always think operations is trivial and unimportant..... until they have to do it themselves! :-)
Re:Let's Stop Talking About "Backups"
by josephkern on Monday December 14, 2009 @06:27PM
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Totally agree on these points. The Joel-Atwood experience is not that of two programmers starting a company. It's a story of two programmers learning about System Administration.
Re:Let's Stop Talking About "Backups"
by lifeisstillgood on Monday December 14, 2009 @05:56PM
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the "Art of Operations" suggests a book or similar that you are referring to - is there one, or am I reading too much into some double quotes?
Re:Let's Stop Talking About "Backups"
by josephkern on Monday December 14, 2009 @06:25PM
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Yes there is a book: The Practice of System and Network Administration, Second Edition. This is the best Operations book I've ever bought. Worth every penny.
Because Google isn't links:
http://www.amazon.com/Practice-System-Network-Administration...
Most People who work in Production Operations environments of any scale, discover what has taken Joel the better part of a decade, in the first two-three years of their career.
I almost feel like that Airplane passenger sitting beside Brooks Jr - Brooks saw him reading his book, "Mythical Man Month" - and asked the guy (who had no idea who he was sitting beside) what he thought of the book - The gentleman responded that it was basically a summary of things he knew already. Joel is a giant in the industry, but he does have a tendency to discover/restate the obvious.
"It's not backups, but the restores that matter" - is kind of the mantra of every single person who has ever been responsible for backups.
Then, you go to _any_ class on running a production environment, and you discover things like RPO, RTO, Dress-Rehearsals, etc.. and the whole "It's restores that matter" begins to look quaint.