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Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by mumrah on Monday December 14, 2009 @10:10AM (#994241)
Maybe it's just me, but these blue dudes are not quite out of the uncanny valley.
Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by baddox on Monday December 14, 2009 @12:03PM (#994466)
The blue dudes are very human-like, yet are not humans. Therefore, even if you saw them in real life, they would be in the "uncanny valley." The real uncanny valley only applies to attempted depictions of humans. Heck, a shorn chimpanzee is practically in the same uncanny valley as the blue dudes.
Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by shpxnvz on Monday December 14, 2009 @02:05PM (#994777)
* The real uncanny valley only applies to attempted depictions of humans.*

In my experience the same reaction, though sometimes muted, applies to just about any living thing Hollywood attempts to computer generate. I can't remember having ever seen a convincing depiction of a dog, cat, or even insect for that matter.

It's entirely possible that an alien humanoid biological creature would appear to be obviously living to us in the same way as other non-human animals, and thus subject to the same "uncanny valley."

Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by electromagnetic on Monday December 14, 2009 @07:31PM (#995522)
The uncanny valley can be used to good effect though: zombies for instance. It's very hard to make a zombie scary if you've got it too low on the uncanny valley that people can't get past going "aww it's so cute!"

I haven't got the creepy feeling I have from other attempts, so I'd likely put them on the upward exponential out of the uncanny valley. I believe this may be greatly helped by the fact they're not supposed to look human.

It's like the aliens in the new Star Trek, the absolute weirdest was the comedic throwback of the green chick. The lack of prosthetics to modify her made her feel so much weirder than any of the others.

The fact that people are going to be going into the movie seeing spaceships and humans rendered in CGI before they see any of the aliens may help the aliens out of the uncanny valley. After wading through Disney Land and finding one of the humanoid robots they don't appear as false as the highly realistic androids being made in Japan despite not being of as good craftsmanship, why? Well I just walked through a mile of talking humanoid mice, anything remotely human is now believable!

However something to point out: Capgras syndrome gives the sufferer this 'uncanny valley' effect to anyone the person knows, they'll believe the person has been replaced by a duplicate.

Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by StrawberryFrog on Monday December 14, 2009 @11:45AM (#994421)
A marker of how far we are through the uncanny valley is how close to human the creatures are that we are asked to believe in.

Gollum in LOTR looked abhuman because well, he was supposed to.

Humanoid blue aliens are easier to "get right" than actual humans because nobody really knows how they are supposed to look and act.

Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by Retric on Monday December 14, 2009 @12:22PM (#994525)
I have seen plenty of CGI pictures on the other side of the uncanny valley. The problem seems to be motion and lighting.
Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by anigbrowl on Monday December 14, 2009 @02:48PM (#994907)
Some of that is just an engineering resource problem. If you can bring yourself to watch Peter Jackson's awful King Kong remake, the giant ape looks incredibly good while creatures in the valley of the dinosaurs are dreadful...on the big screen I was able to spot that they'd been done by two different FX teams (CG/compositing geek here, so I'm abnormally fussy).
Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by StrawberryFrog on Monday December 14, 2009 @12:34PM (#994551)
Yep. still pictures are a lot further than moving ones.
Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by duhprey on Monday December 14, 2009 @03:17PM (#994981)
I don't think it's that stills are "further" as much as that the error doesn't accumulate.
Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by electromagnetic on Monday December 14, 2009 @07:35PM (#995532)
This is actually noted in much of the 'uncanny valley' predictions, in that the positive and negative effects are less severe. A static picture can look human enough to fool you, however a video doesn't take long before something clues you in and at 24fps you're likely to clue in fast.

However zombies don't look as horrifying in still pictures as they do in animation. Catching the bottom of the uncanny valley can have its benefit for directors as well.

Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by Tyheam on Monday December 14, 2009 @10:51AM (#994313)
They are as deep down there as possible. Which can be a good thing if you take it as a sign that we're almost at the maximum. Still seeing the trailers I'm not sure how I'm supposed to sympathise with them. Also the story doesn't seem overly interesting either. I guess we will see.
Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by bitwize on Monday December 14, 2009 @11:16AM (#994365)
Their mouth movements are more natural and human than the creepy marionettes in Robert Zemeckis's "performance capture" movies.
Re:James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever by noisedom on Monday December 14, 2009 @06:06PM (#995375)
I agree. Those characters make me feel like this movie is a Sci-Fi Channel Original.

Definitely excited to see the new film techniques though.